| ▲ | bmau5 3 days ago |
| A bit surprised to see them go with OpenAI over Anthropic. OpenAI obviously has much broader consumer recognition and appeal, but I've been expecting a strategic partnership between Apple and a model co (Anthropic made most sense to me) with eventual acquisition - given they seem to be lagging so far behind the rest Magnificent Seven on the AI front |
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| ▲ | layer8 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Apple has an existing deal with OpenAI for the Siri-to-ChatGPT fallback that allegedly costs them nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if OpenAI wants them to switch to GPT-5 because of (for example) lower operational costs. The whole news here may be about nothing more than switching the existing functionality to the newer and more cost-efficient model. |
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| ▲ | biophysboy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why is there so much pressure for Apple to compete in LLM AI? There's a lot of competitors. It would cost them a lot. Their business in design/manufacturing/branding is not as compatible w/ AI as social media or search. All of the AI-related consumer products so far have been mediocre and redundant given the smartphone. I don't understand why their best strategy isn't to just stand and watch, and then ruthlessly integrate the winner with their product line. |
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| ▲ | bitpush 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If companies like Apple and Google don't lead in AI, they risk becoming obsolete. Once customers see their phone as just a device for accessing a universal AI like ChatGPT, they'll no longer be locked into an iPhone or Android. They'll just buy whatever device offers the best access to that AI. This is the same reason Apple ensures that apps from its App Store work better than websites. They need to keep their own platform essential. | | |
| ▲ | biophysboy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Is your refutation that leading AI model design & operations will make you better at AI integration w/ physical devices? From my lay perspective, they seem distinct. | | |
| ▲ | bitpush 3 days ago | parent [-] | | You have to own the platform. If an iPhone is just a window to ChatGPT, people will eventually ask why they're paying a $1,000 premium and start looking for a cheaper $phone. This is exactly why the "Apple Intelligence" branding was so crucial. The plan was to make the AI feel like a unique Apple feature, justifying the hardware purchase. While the launch may have tarnished that brand, expect Apple to lean heavily on it going forward. The challenge is that any partnership with ChatGPT or Anthropic comes with a branding conflict. OpenAI will want credit, but a "Powered by ChatGPT" label is the last thing Apple wants. How Apple navigates this dilemma will be fascinating, as they are truly in a bind. | | |
| ▲ | biophysboy 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I guess I'm confused why its an existential threat to have Chatgpt/Anthropic/etc branding on an Apple device. Alphabet/Meta products both appear on iPhones and use their own branding. I guess it would be unprecedented for Apple to allow an external partner that deep into their walled garden and replace Siri, but I don't see total vertical integration as a plausible outcome for Apple. I think they would waste a bunch of money and then lose! |
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| ▲ | paulddraper 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The pressure for Apple to create a model is not nearly as much as the pressure to have a model. There's a lot of reason to have and use a model, OpenAI or otherwise. | |
| ▲ | Traubenfuchs 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Them not doing this from the start to appease the public and shareholders with constant novelty was a massive failure. |
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| ▲ | wenc 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I subscribe to all 3: ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini. In terms of humanity, Claude is the best and probably the best fit for Apple audiences. It’s the emotionally friend who is level headed. The NYTimes did an article on Claude which captures this sentiment. ChatGPT is like the exuberant nerd who wants to talk shop. Gemini is a the brainy but less emotionally intelligent friend. |
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| ▲ | TiredOfLife 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Anthropic can and will remove Apple acces to their models on a whim. |
