| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago |
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_... Would you say that this list is incorrect? Or that any attack on civilians in Israel is justified and thus not a terrorist attack? |
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| ▲ | rsoto2 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Do you think Israel was created through peace or through zionist bombing attacks?
Do you think only the brown bombers should be labelled terrorists? You sound racist and like you're ok enabling the killing of children. As a doctor Tarek Loubani reported today "I've been to many wars, it has never felt like the war is against children" |
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| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose.
But I’m trying to understand your logic. Attacking innocent civilians is legitimate if your goal is to establish a state? And BTW, you don’t know me personally, ad hominem attacks just weaken your argument | | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, you see, it's not terror when the bomb falls from a jet fighter or a drone /s. | | |
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| ▲ | rsoto2 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is killing a child terrorism? Because israel has killed over 18000 in the last few years. |
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| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You didn’t answer my question | | |
| ▲ | zapataband2 4 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Again, ad hominem. Let me teach you a little bit about Israel. 20% Arabs with same rights as Jews, with government representation.
50% of Jews in Israel come from Arab countries (they were ethnically cleansed from their home countries) so they are the exact color of Palestinians, if not even “brownier” (if the color is so important to you). | | |
| ▲ | zapataband2 4 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It seems like you reply aggressively and instinctively without proof or reason. Your mind is set on something but have you researched it? Israel has more diversity than most European countries. All citizens have the same rights. Sexual orientation, gender, religion and race are protected by laws. | | |
| ▲ | zapataband2 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | | |
| ▲ | tguvot 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Hoping that I’ll influence at least one other person, probably not the people replying, but maybe the silent readers. | | |
| ▲ | tguvot 4 days ago | parent [-] | | don't. you will be either downvoted to hell or flagged in case you will provide some external links that actually support what you say. if you want to reach out to silent readers, go to reddit. there is no nonsense as flagged posts, people are more open minded to discussion and reach is much bigger. here at this point of time it's sect of genocide witnesses. | | |
| ▲ | zapataband2 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | "it's more open minded" aka All the major subreddits are brigaded by Israeli hasbara teams. Israel sentiment is in the fucking gutter because of you child-killing-defending freaks | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You’re correct. It’s just a shame that every time a post about Israel devolves to anti Israeli circle jerk here. This site prides itself on knowledgeable and civil discussion. Not when Israel is involved. | | |
| ▲ | tguvot 4 days ago | parent [-] | | " knowledgeable and civil discussion" with long stick of moderation and flagged posts/downvotes for any not-popular opinions on any topic. a lot of people been passive aggressive due to be suppressed and unable to express their thoughts. nice reflection of what is going on in usa actually |
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| ▲ | zapataband2 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | tguvot 4 days ago | parent [-] | | yes. hamas is awful. op almost died in dolphinorium bombing which was done by hamas and killed 2 dozens of teens at disco. | | |
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| ▲ | zappb 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | cogman10 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I can fully grant the list as accurate and even undercounting the number of attacks that have happened. It, frankly, pales in comparison to the number of civilians the IDF has killed and is currently killing. No amount of terrorist attacks can justify starving a population or dropping bombs on the tents of refuges. Like, I'm sorry, but an attack in 2024 that injures 20 people and an attack in 2023 that kills 1000 is simply not comparable. There are literally 1000s dying weekly right now in gaza. The IDF is daily shooting starving children that go to the Israel's ran aid sites. Israel does not have the right to commit genocide. |
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| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The OP said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks. | | |
| ▲ | albumen 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, very good, OP's wrong and you're right. Now, if you'd address the 8,000,000lb elephant in the room that would be great. | |
| ▲ | cogman10 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from. I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable. This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering. | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response. | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | K. Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right? | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah I did. I have friends that lost family from these terror attacks. Twice while on a date with my wife at our local bar we had to flee because of a Palestinian started shooting random people in the street. I had the luck to have a birthday party cancelled at this location on this date https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bom... So having a random person on the internet explicitly lying about these experiences and having other people upvoting him kind of grinds my gears. | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Understandable. Now, do you condemn the genocide? Because the problem here is that even though you've experienced a traumatic event, 1000s of Palestinians who never shot at or bombed your family are being shot at, bombed, and starved. Do you acknowledge the Palestinian right to exist? | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Of course I acknowledge their right to exist. I only wish it would be reciprocated, however, time and time again we were shown that this is not the case. Gaza was left alone on 2006, look what happened. They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. Instead they chose war death and terror. I wish what happened wouldn’t have. On oct 7 and in Gaza. But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore. For the last 2 years there are 2 principles that have not changed. Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. The moment that happens the war is over. It could’ve happened 2 years ago and this thousands of deaths could’ve been avoided. But until that happens, the war continues. So I don’t believe there’s genocide, as it precludes explicit desire. There’s war. And it will end the moment Hamas want it to. | | |
| ▲ | CapricornNoble 3 days ago | parent [-] | | >They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. How do they create a prosperous territory? Israel destroyed Gaza's airport. Israel destroyed the foundations of Gaza's seaport. Israel maintains a maritime blockade of Gaza, so it's not like they can freely engage in trade with other sovereign territories. Israel maintains control over exploitation of Gaza's natural gas deposits.[1][2] > But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore. Even before Oct7, there were something like 350-500 Palestinians held in Israeli jails, charged with no crimes but indefinitely detained. They are functionally the same as hostages. Why should Gaza accept Israel holding hostages? Why should Palestine accept a militarized Israel? [3][4] > Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. Israel should return its hostages and surrender its arms. And then the leadership should stand trial for genocide and crimes against humanity. We put some Hamas leaders on trial at the same time if you like, I'm fine with that, but the total disarmament of Israel and the prosecution of its leadership will likely be an overwhelming net good for the rest of humanity. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forg... [2] https://mondoweiss.net/2019/10/the-gas-fields-off-gaza-a-gif... [3] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-expert-ca... [4] https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-prison-intifada-supporting... |
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| ▲ | zapataband2 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's no error in my post. "terrorism" is a political racist term mainly used to benefit white colonial powers and label freedom movements as below their oppressors. I don't think brown people trying to save themselves from a concentration camp are terrorists, therefore the terrorist state of israel is not the target of a terrorist group. In fact how could they be when it is them that are invading Gaza for 40+ years. I know you're not this stupid, you're just racist. | | |
| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | But you said that Israel is a terrorist state, so that isn’t political? Which is it? | | |
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| ▲ | alangibson 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is whataboutism. Either address the parent comment or go away. |
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| ▲ | halflife 4 days ago | parent [-] | | How is this whataboutism? He said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks. In response I provided a list of terror attacks against Israel, this is exactly on topic | | |
| ▲ | alangibson 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You don't have to convince me that you don't get it. I believe you. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm calling what you say out for the benefit of others. | |
| ▲ | chimineycricket 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's whataboutism because the statement also included that Israel is a terrorist state. By giving a list of attacks on Israel as a rebuttal, you are saying Israel is not a terrorist state because it's been attacked by Hamas. Do you see how silly that sounds? Since Hamas is a terrorist group for all of its viscousness, Israel must be as well, because the viciousness of Israel is more than 10 times that of Hamas. | | |
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