Ukraine has been invaded. We wish to prevent the Russians from being able to seize more of it and to restore Ukrainian control of those parts already seized.

Furthermore, the US has made military threats against Denmark. Azerbaijan has recently driven out 100,000+ Armenians from Nagorno-Karabach by starvation and artillery bombardment. Georgia has been invaded by Russia in 2008, and now a pro-Russian faction has possibly seized power.

Furthermore, we have a military threat from Turkey, which occupies territory of Cyprus and has recently converted churches on Cyprus into mosques and discussed plans for similar things with Armenian cultural monuments in eastern Anatolia.

A clean solution to these problems requires an increase in military capability.

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jasonvorhe 7 days ago | parent [-]

Ukraine had their chance of keeping their land but they decided to listen to Boris Johnson and got played by Western interests. Stupid but no militarization will help them regain any of their land and sane voices have been screaming this from the rooftops for the past 3 years only to be called Putin allies and other such nonsense.

lol @ that Denmark thing. We shouldn't get involved in local conflicts between Azerbaijan and Armenia except for facilitating peaceful negotiations. Military investments will only move more money towards the MIC.

My heart goes out to Orthodox Christians in Cyprus but this has been going on since mid 1970s and no European military investments will change anything about this.

Instead of protecting their borders or investing in existing military equipment it's being sent to Ukraine where it'll get destroyed or get lost in the black market.

Investing in actual defense capabilities looks different.

	▲	impossiblefork 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Even today it's within the capacity of the EU to defeat the Russian forces in Ukraine with very small losses. The Denmark thing is nothing to laugh. Azerbaijan's ethnic cleansing of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabach is something we have the capacity to reverse. Cyprus is also something we have the capacity to reverse. How many of the Archer systems have been destroyed? I count zero. The sensible things we have sent them are still there, the rubbish, maybe not so much, but we can afford to lose rubbish. The problem is the timidity of the European politicians. They're refusing to operate at the appropriate violence level. I hope this will change.