By that logic you could argue rape is just nature too.

At some point mankind added moral.

Of course rape is natural. Orangutans, ducks, geese, and certain dolphin species also rape. That's a problem if you think "natural" justifies human behavior, but why would it?

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croes 6 days ago | parent [-]

Read the edit of parent.

And I wrote „just nature“ because parent used it’s nature as a justification. Hence the moral part.

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echelon 6 days ago | parent [-]

We evolved to eat. We did not evolve to rape.

Eating, fundamentally, reduces some other organism's population. All of nature does it.

We consume life and the byproducts of life. Even the high energy gas exchange we rely upon is 100% a waste product that we consume.

Life is fundamentally about consuming and repurposing the materials of others.

You don't need to have sex. You need to eat to survive.

Our bodies are naturally adapted to consume wildlife. It is the most natural state for our body plan and biochemistry.

Our body cannot make all of the amino acids and metabolites it needs to be healthy. If technology and food fortification vanished one day, we would be forced to eat meat to survive. Non-meat diets are only enabled by technology. Without it, we would not even be having this discussion.

	▲	croes 6 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Your word analogy is wrong. It‘s not eat : rape, it‘s eat: fuck, so for some the equivalent for rape is eating meat or more specific killing animal : rape. We evolved to eat and we evolved to fuck. But like sex doesn’t mean rape so does eating not necessarily mean meat or at least no much and not without consideration who the animal is raised before we kill and eat it. A long time in many societies we didn’t really care what women felt during sex or if they were even willing to. But we evolved further and learned women have the same rights as men and rape is a bad thing. We even redefined what is considered rape. It’s not that long ago that raping your wife was impossible from a legal point of view. We also changed our view on factorial farming, at least many of us. At least we want meat from a happy cow that lived on the pasture and not penned up in the barn without sunshine. The next step isn’t that far, no animal should be killed if nutrition is possible otherwise. We already spare some animals as food. In the west it’s cats and dogs, in India cows. And some include all animals in the don‘t eat category.
	▲	croes 6 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		You could also say we evolved to lie but nowadays it’s considered a bad habit. The crucial point is the morals of society. Being has was once a sin, now nit so much at least in the western world even if some try to turn that back. We also evolved to kill especially with weapons because our natural one aren’t that great. We kill lots of other humans, of course the evil one is always the other side because killing is bad nevertheless we evolved to do quite effectively. Evolution is a explanation not an justification.
	▲	hombre_fatal 6 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		None of that really matters if you just care about nutrition or sentient beings without the story telling.