How does this compare with inngest or restate? We currently use inngest right now and it works great but the typescript API is a bit clunky

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KraftyOne 5 days ago | parent [-]

Like Inngest and Restate, DBOS provides durable workflows. The difference is that DBOS is implemented as a Postgres-backed library you can "npm install" into your project (no external dependencies except Postgres), while Inngest and Restate require an external workflow orchestrator.

Here's a blog post explaining the DBOS architecture in more detail: https://www.dbos.dev/blog/what-is-lightweight-durable-execut...

Here's a comparison with Temporal, which is architecturally similar to Restate and Inngest: https://www.dbos.dev/blog/durable-execution-coding-compariso...

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hanikesn 5 days ago | parent [-]

First: It's great to have some serious competition in the durable execution market! You build some impressive tech already! It took me a decent time to investigate before pulling the trigger on temporal at my current PSP fintech as you'll end up with a pretty hard vendor lock-in which has to be worth it.

I have to say the architecture blog post is very leightweight on details, which makes it hard to judge so you have to dive into the docs for the spicy details and I see abig showstoppers for our usecase:

1. Workflow versioning: It seems currently impossible to properly upgrade inflight workflow without manually forking the workflow

Also the marketing material and docs aretoo handwavy on the idempotency and determinism constraints, which makes them dbos seem to good to be true. I'd also love to see higher level abstractions around message sending. Temporal's signal, query and update are essential building blocks for our use cases and allow some quite interesting use cases as you can really view workflows as actors.

I hope you can keep innovating as temporal really is too heavy for a lot of use-cases.

See: https://docs.dbos.dev/production/self-hosting/workflow-recov... https://www.dbos.dev/blog/handling-failures-workflow-forks

	▲	jedberg 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Hey there, DBOS CEO here. I really appreciate your feedback, super helpful! If you are willing, I'd love to get some more feedback from you, specifically around your showstoppers. I have contact info in my HN profile, or you can join our discord: https://discord.com/invite/jsmC6pXGgX Thanks!