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trinix912 6 days ago

> This means any Norwegian trying to start eg a fast growing software biz must relocate to Sweden if they want to be close to home, or Switzerland more realistically, as swedens top income tax bracket is >50%.

There's nothing stopping them from doing that in Norway, they just have to pay their dues. Which are nowhere near the rate of those in a real communist system that people are so quick to label it as.

I find it very selfish to think that we should optimize everything to squeeze out the remaining 1.1% of the wealth, given that Scandinavia wouldn't have such a high living standard had it not been for the welfare system.

robocat 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I find it very selfish to think that we should optimize everything to squeeze out the remaining 1.1% of the wealth, given that Scandinavia wouldn't have such a high living standard had it not been for the welfare system.

1.1% is deceiving. 1.1% is actually over 20% tax on savings (assuming a common drawdown of wealth at 4% per year). Plus savings are usually money that has already been taxed. If you can invest at a higher return then the numbers improve but the risk increases (and governments don't share the risk or otherwise ameliorate it) and the taxes remain if you win.

1.1% sounds small. Any analytical person analysing the rewards versus the risks of founding a company will decide that it isn't worth it. Even if you win, you lose.

Here in New Zealand no founder can plan for a decade timeframe because there's a high chance a new government will screw you if you make any winnings. Currently our taxation system encourages entrepreneurship a little (no CGT).

A taxation system needs to be designed to incentivise individuals to create businesses. The government wins through income taxes and sales taxes - it doesn't need to kill the golden goose by overtaxation.

Most people have a selection bias: they see the winners and think those "greedy bastards" should pay more. Few people weigh up the invisible costs of the people that tried and failed. Very few people consider the benefits accrued to society from businesses (consumer surplus, tax income through other taxes, etcetera).

Wobbles42 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What is stopping it is the fact that the "wealth" they are being taxed on doesn't actually exist, so by starting a company and getting investment you create tax liability that is impossible to pay.

Early stage companies have a high valuation on paper as an artifact of selling small amounts of equity for relatively large sums of money. This leaves you with purely theoretical wealth in the form of equity which you have not yet sold, and potentially can't sell.

As a concrete example, let's say your tax rate is 15%. If you start a business, and give an investor a 10% stake in that business in exchange for $1M, your remaining 90% stake in the company is now worth $9M. Congratulations, you're wealthy! Now you need to "pay your dues" of 15% of that $9M... good luck with that. You are now bankrupt and deeply in dept to the government.