Why would we believe that an organization's existence is something that it routinely and consistently fails at? Are we delusional?

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1718627440 5 days ago | parent [-]

The police officers I experience are quite calm and seam reasonable. Sure there are also allegedly incidents at some demonstrations. But those are demonstrations I expect to be violent without police intervention.

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NoGravitas 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

I have been to many protests and demonstrations in my life, and not a single one of them has turned violent without police intervention. Occasionally there is property damage, but even that is the exception rather than the rule.

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kelseyfrog 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

How would you determine if your experience was an outlier?

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1718627440 5 days ago | parent [-]

I don't. It just shows that the police doesn't need to be escalating and we shouldn't shrug and accept it as it is.

> Police are a volatile, uncontrollable solution

No they don't and shouldn't be.

> If you introduce police into a situation

I think informing the police about a dangerous attitude in some child isn't the wrong solution. The police not showing up at the parent's place and sending a therapist, but instead treating a child like a criminal adult is criminally neglect.

Also right here in the comments we have somebody mentioning that people behave how you treat them. That doesn't apply soly to children. If you treat the police like a militia and don't show respect they will behave like that to you.

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soulofmischief 5 days ago | parent [-]

I am not required to respect the police. They are required to respect me, a democratic citizen who has authorized their right to exist－not the other way around.

> I think informing the police about a dangerous attitude in some child isn't the wrong solution

I was regularly beaten at home by religious zealots, before finally being kicked out onto the street and becoming homeless at 16. The police were over at my house every three weeks or less, constantly threatening me with foster care and juvie if I didn't respect my grandfather's right to beat me.

The man would routinely make me choose a weapon, often but not always a belt. He would then beat me savagely with the metal buckle like a whip, all over my body, until I would stop crying, because "men do not cry, I'll teach you how to be a man", and "I'll give you something to cry about".

Every ounce of state intervention made it worse, because of police and administrative corruption. Don't even get me started on how they surveilled me through my school.

Yeah, we do have ideals. And regulations, which... don't always match those ideals. And then we have reality, which... doesn't always match regulations. To ignore reality and say that the regulations are the true reality is honestly a very ignorant and dangerous thing to do, especially when you try to instill this perspective into others.

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		> I am not required to respect the police. You are one citizen. The police represent the other million citizens. They have the monopoly on violence, so that all the other citizens can't do that. I think this is way better than every citizen caring weapons and doing self-justice. Even when the police is going crazy, that is still better than civil war. They do have checks and regulation even if they don't always work, the other citizens haven't. That being said, I can absolutely see, how you distrust the police. I can't imagine what justification the police gave to their superiors in your case. I would expect public outrage if this became public, but maybe your country truly doesn't care. Of course you shouldn't report such issues to a corrupt militia, which your police seams to be posing as. However that is not what I would call a police and it should be reported to the police if you had such a thing in your region. When you ignore children with violent intentions this will lead to a stabbing or shooting later on. The police will treat a single claim very differently than recurring threats for violence. Informing the authorities early one makes them able to send therapists the first time. When they only ever hear about problems once things went violent or even only at the time of the amok, they need to send the violent force on the first occurrence, because they can now only try to shield the victims not help the delinquent child.