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brookst 9 days ago

Odd take on causality.

It’s perfectly reasonable to say that an event was caused by earlier events and also that different actions in the intervening years could have produced different outcomes.

The ceramic bits on the floor were caused when I dropped the bowl, even though they could have been prevented had I managed to catch it.

akhosravian 9 days ago | parent | next [-]

The comment you are replying to was replying to a comment that was more akin to “the ceramic bits on the floor were caused by your parents meeting” though

brookst 7 days ago | parent | next [-]

Saying the civil war was seeded decades earlier is more akin to saying the dish was dropped because you put it away covered in oil the day before. It wasn’t some unforseeable eventuality.

DangitBobby 8 days ago | parent | prev [-]

But in the case of history, how the plate got in your hands to begin with is often the most important to learn from, not the dropping it part.

potato3732842 9 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>Odd take on causality.

If you have something to say say it like a man. This is an internet comment section, not a bunch of mean girls pretending to run a parent teacher association.

>It’s perfectly reasonable to say that an event was caused by earlier events and also that different actions in the intervening years could have produced different outcomes.

The problem is that it's a meaningless statement. Everything "has its origins" or "was caused by" the prior situation which has its origins (or whatever comparable verbiage you prefer) in a nearly infinite set of things that created the immediate necessary preconditions. Like if the middle east didn't suck you might not have got Colombus when you did and the resultant effects. Or if the middle east sucked a little more you might not have gotten Marco Polo when you did having the resultant effects. But this all just devolves into a stupid "look how smart I am" exercise where we're all just basically listing things that came before and circle jerk about the ways they put their metaphorical thumbs on the scale of the future.

soiltype 9 days ago | parent [-]

sexism aside, they did say exactly what they meant.