China literally fought the bloodiest civil war of the 20th century! It's technically still going on, even. One of the sides makes a lot of good chips, maybe you've heard of them.

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lern_too_spel 9 days ago | parent [-]

That's a bit of an oversimplification. The residents of Taiwan had been Japanese citizens since the end of the 19th century and did not participate in the Chinese Civil War. Chang Kai-Shek moved his supporters to the island in 1949 based on the Allies' promise of the return of Taiwan to the RoC and then quickly declared martial law, which lasted for four decades. The current ruling party in Taiwan does not consider itself a rightful ruler of mainland China and instead sees itself as the government of a sovereign Taiwan.

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ajross 8 days ago | parent [-]

And that sounds more like apologia than elaboration. Needless to say the PRC itself does not agree with the DPP's assessment of itself as the government of a sovereign Taiwan.

The point was a glib response to an assertion that China is somehow especially unified as a matter of policy or politics. And, yeah, no; no it is not. At all.

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lern_too_spel 8 days ago | parent [-]

I mean to say that it's incorrect to claim that the Chinese civil war is ongoing and even more incorrect to say that one side of it does a good job manufacturing chips. The part of the KMT that fled to Taiwan constitutes a minority of Taiwan's population and is not even politically dominant any more, and the rest were Japanese citizens who then became Taiwanese citizens, never having fought in a civil war.

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ajross 7 days ago | parent [-]

> I mean to say that it's incorrect to claim that the Chinese civil war is ongoing

What I said was that the Chinese civil war is technically ongoing, as evidence for deep and persistent Chinese political disunity, and I stand by that 100%.

You're arguing with someone else, I think. And in particular you seem to be arguing from the perspective of the PRC with regard to Taiwanese independence, which I find distasteful.

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lern_too_spel 6 days ago | parent [-]

> And in particular you seem to be arguing from the perspective of the PRC with regard to Taiwanese independence, which I find distasteful.

You continue to make mistakes. The people of Taiwan have no desire to be autocratically ruled by either the winners or the losers of the Chinese civil war and are no longer ruled by either.

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ajross 6 days ago | parent [-]

I give up. You're arguing with someone else, not me. You clearly agree with my upthread point, you're just going blue in the face yelling about a technicality regarding what you perceive is my alignment with whoever your enemies in domestic Taiwanese politics are. I won't engage with that. Stop.

	▲	lern_too_spel 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		> You clearly agree with my upthread point, I do not. There is no ongoing civil war. The vast majority of Taiwan (except for the small minority composed of the fleeing KMT) had nothing to do with the civil war, so it is incorrect to say that the people who fought that civil war make the chips produced in Taiwan. > you're just going blue in the face yelling about a technicality regarding what you perceive is my alignment with whoever your enemies in domestic Taiwanese politics are No, I am fully aware (and have been since the beginning) that you have no conception of Taiwanese politics. I'm correcting your incorrect statements about China and Taiwan's relationship to it. You have a mistaken belief that Taiwan is mostly descendants and supporters of the KMT. It is not, even after the suppression of other political groups during martial law. Unlike the KMT, the current dominant parties have never aspired to rule China.