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CER10TY 7 days ago

Props to you if you manage to follow this and squeeze it into 15 minutes. I‘ve genuinely never had a daily last less than 60 mins.

taude 7 days ago | parent | next [-]

Your team needs coaching, then. Unless you're getting status from 30 people....which would be a whole other conversation.

CER10TY 7 days ago | parent [-]

I‘m long gone from that team (thankfully). But hey, the Scrum Master was certified, I‘m sure it‘s all proper /s

alexjplant 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Scrum" is one of those terms like "jam band" or "martini" or "DevOps" that people apply way too liberally to describe things that they think are similar but are actually completely different. If you try and get people to do real Scrum ceremonies and roles as written you'll run into a host of excuses as to why they can't (or, as is more often the case, just don't want to). This is how you end up with a "daily stand-up" that only happens when Jupiter isn't in declination, is attended by between 0 and n + 3 people where n is the actual team size, and lasts up to an hour and a half with a strong possibility of not everybody giving their required status. Oh, and everybody is sitting down. At a stand-up.

Scrum might not be perfect for every situation but it's a damn sight better than a swirling miasma of agenda-less quasi-recurring meeting invites buttressed by orphaned Google Docs and Slack threads. I've worked on exactly one team where we pretty much did Scrum to the letter and it was great. Meetings were short and sweet and we always knew what we had to build or fix. I was just a kid and we were using a super-janky tech stack but it was among the most productive, low-stress times in my career.

ratelimitsteve 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We do something really similar to this and we're usually through 6 or 7 people in 15 minutes

dkoprowski 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, we do this basically automatically right now, so it is fast. There are really rare cases when we would need more than 15 minutes. We do more serious stuff asynchronous over Slack or in a smaller round after daily with only affected people.

ramy_d 7 days ago | parent | prev [-]

that's insane. how many of you are there?

CER10TY 7 days ago | parent [-]

We were 5 people total - PO, Scrum Master, 3 devs. Been years since I was in that team but it was expected that everyone would give a lengthy update about the previous day

SketchySeaBeast 7 days ago | parent [-]

That's 12 minutes a person. How much time did it take 3 devs to say "I worked on 12343, I plan on working on 12354, no blockers"? I assume it was the PO/SM that drug it out?

infamouscow 7 days ago | parent | next [-]

Product managers shouldn't be rebranded as "solution managers." The title suggests they can handle solutions, but most lack the chops to solve real problems effectively.

SketchySeaBeast 6 days ago | parent [-]

I meant "Scrum Master".

CER10TY 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That takes 2 seconds. But the PO usually expected a detailed breakdown of what went well or bad and what could be improved right then and there. Simply saying "Yeah, I'm doing X, still doing it, bye" would be bad, because you're also not inviting _collaboration_.

SketchySeaBeast 6 days ago | parent [-]

> _collaboration_

_micromanagement_