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franktankbank 6 days ago

You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth.

nyarlathotep_ 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth.

These organizations are so dysfunctional on this front too, in so many ways.

Even when the technical people communicate "requirements" to HR, it's often a scattershot of everything the department touched even in some ancillary fashion in the last 5 years, and now ends up a game of telephone that, because someone in the department wants to migrate to 'Hive MQ', it's a "hard requirement" with 7-YOE required even tho it was literally just a managers' idea with no implementation path aside from a sprint ticket to "discuss it."

They allegedly need "an expert in IOT" but you'll spend 6 months configuring GitHub runners for some Java CRUD thing. Companies accidentally, by product of pure dysfunction, end up rug pulling people all the time.

ludicity 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I took a run at recruiting recently and it's so easy to outperform recruiters that it's honestly depressing. Just replying to emails at the times I promised made candidates self-report that I'm the best recruiter they've ever worked with.

nlawalker 5 days ago | parent [-]

Depends on your definition of “outperform”… if recruiters were being evaluated on what the candidates think of them they’d try harder in that respect.

jjk166 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Debris tends to collect in spots that never get cleaned. For some reason, HR never seems to lay off HR.

prewett 5 days ago | parent [-]

Wasn’t HR a large part of the tech layoffs a couple years ago?

scruple 5 days ago | parent [-]

It was at my BigTechCo except then they had to backfill and the people they got to replace them are frankly assholes compared to the people they laid off.

flkiwi 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are dumb and they are mean because they are empowered and they have access to secrets. And a department's designated HR person will not respond to questions from anyone lower than a VP, and when they do they'll point you to the company intranet.

ed_elliott_asc 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don’t hold back with your opinions!

franktankbank 6 days ago | parent [-]

Haha, ya I wouldn't ever recommend anyone behave the way I behave.

SV_BubbleTime 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Try and convince me that HR departments aren’t majority jobs programs for the less intellectually fortunate.

It would be an uphill battle.

johnnyanmac 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

My main counterargument here is that many office jobs don't need "intellectual fortune". Society needs to be honest and know when you just need people for accountability's sake, for small and/or odd ends to meet, or to manage clerical tasks that pile up. And remember that humans who do a role for a whike get really good at it, if you don't fire them after a few months to make earnings calls look 1% better.

Title inflation is a phenomenon spread far beyond tech.we shouldn't shame "learnable on the job work", but we don't need to pretend everyone is a VP either. HR in this case is there to allegedly help resolve problems with workers (reality: there to help prevent or alleviate the workload of lawyers). They have no business in recruiting past maybe a behavioral call.

franktankbank 6 days ago | parent [-]

> Society needs to be honest

> They have no business in recruiting past maybe a behavioral call.

franktankbank 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You:Me <-> Preacher:Choir

I actually have much more negative thoughts than that, but I'm told we should assume they are stupid rather than malicious.

jeffrallen 6 days ago | parent [-]

If you don't think HR is malicious, you should read Company by Max Barry.

franktankbank 6 days ago | parent [-]

I'm sure we are on the same team here but I try not to base my attitudes on works of fiction.