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gchamonlive 6 days ago

You just forget that the transaction part of consuming is just a portion of it. AI could provide bezos with everything material he'd need, just not the power and status. That's where your argument falls apart. We are social beings, and for those in power they won't be satisfied with the illusion of power. Consumption is the driving force that maintains power in capitalism. You could replace the system, but never the need for power humans have.

9rx 6 days ago | parent [-]

> That's where your argument falls apart.

Are you aimlessly reading comments in strict isolation?

gchamonlive 6 days ago | parent [-]

No

9rx 6 days ago | parent [-]

Then why did you claim the argument falls apart, but then proceed to retell the very argument you claim fell apart?

If you read the comment in isolation I could at least understand your confusion, but you state that isn't the case.

gchamonlive 6 days ago | parent [-]

Because "But if I don't need anything from you — because, say, magical AIs are already giving me everything I could ever hope and dream of — I have no reason to become indebted to you" and "With no need for someone else to do something for him, there is no need for him to sell to anyone else" implies that consumption is purely transactional which I argued against.

In other words, AI can't ever give you everything you need and hope for.

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9rx 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> AI can't ever give you everything you need and hope for.

And magic isn't real. Perhaps the problem isn't that you are reading a comment in isolation, but rather that you aren't reading them at all?

gchamonlive 6 days ago | parent [-]

I could say the same for you.

Seriously though, I don't know what you are thinking when you say "Are you aimlessly reading comments in strict isolation?". I don't know what's unclear and what I should expand. If you treat everyone this way there is no way people will talk to you or take you seriously.

9rx 6 days ago | parent [-]

> I could say the same for you.

It, like every other followup response I have written, was a question. Do you mean that you would ask the same thing?

> If you treat everyone this way there is no way people will talk to you or take you seriously.

If asking questions means people will not talk to me or take me seriously, that's fine. What purpose would continually asserting random statements serve?

gchamonlive 6 days ago | parent [-]

Not all questions are born the same. All questions you posed so far had this arrogant air to them like I'm missing something so obvious it doesn't have to be stated. If you can't bother to express yourself better why should I make this effort of guessing what you mean? You'd be surprised how far a bit of benefit of the doubt can take you.

9rx 6 days ago | parent [-]

> All questions you posed so far had this arrogant air to them

Arrogance has nothing to do with anything, so this seems logically flawed, no? However, in the interest of trying to better understand your take, how would you have alternatively phrased them to not have that "air to them"?

> If you can't bother to express yourself better why should I make this effort of guessing what you mean?

Why make a foolish guess when you can simply ask more about what was intended to be meant? Now that I have introduced you to the concept of asking a question, you've sensibly started doing exactly that, but if we look back at earlier comments...

gchamonlive 6 days ago | parent [-]

I'm sorry. I lack the patience and the interest in continuing this conversation, but I deemed impolite to just ghost you. I won't be responding anymore.