Not just developers, but designers. Finding designers who understand hypermedia in that way is nearly impossible.

A team that decides to shift towards this approach to development has to get buy-in from the designers as well. It's not just the devs who have to retrain.

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masfoobar 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Not just developers, but designers. Finding designers who understand hypermedia in that way is nearly impossible.

This is true. 100%

The difference for me and my AppDev career history is -- I never worked with a team of dedicated frontend developers. We are primarily backend developers who are frontend devs as well (though we can admit it is secondary to our backend skills)

Personally, the change for us was placing our html on the server side. So, to me, styling is not a problem and easy to test. It should be, with some training, easy for a dedicated frontend developer to jump in as well... though we might have to shuffle things around with their tools, to gel nicely with the backend team.

If anything, I think this transition would keep the two departments closer together - communication is needed especially for htmx webapps.

I think it can be difficult to win over other backend developers with htmx, as my original post suggests. Adding a frontend layer as well... it is unlikely htmx will be taken seriously when the majority want to stick with what they know.

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prisenco 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's best to not sell it as using HTMX the way you would sell using React as a framework. Instead, I say "let the web be the web."

Building things using standards and not fighting the paradigm with a new paradigm. What's great about HTMX is that it fits alongside the standards in a way that SPA frameworks generally don't.

But focusing on the web itself and everything it's capable of without a framework means you can easily move off of HTMX if need be.

	▲	masfoobar 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		"let the web be the web." 100%

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darqis 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You're acting as if "hypermedia" was some kind of standard everyone should know. It is not.