> AI in its current form is democratizing and allowing exactly the not rich to be relatively more dangerous.

Which part exactly ? The part where everyone pays 20+ a month to a few megacorps or the part where we willingly upload all our thoughts to a central server ?

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whynotminot 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

$20 a month for a nearly unlimited stream of high intelligence isn’t really undemocratic imo

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selfhoster11 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

To call GPT-4o high intelligence, is aspirational (to put it more plainly: GPT-4o is such a bad model it's not worth paying for compared to what's out there). And yes, it is undemocratic - when was the last time you got a say over what the AI is allowed to do for you, let alone a say over any of the ideas for how to improve it?

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whynotminot 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

4o is pretty mid, you’re not wrong. Although for most things and most people it’s mostly fine.

For my money (my actual money!) o3 is still the best model I’ve used. That is included in the $20 a month plan.

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jstummbillig 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$20 buys you o3 access. I have not run into limits for personal or professional information or research purposes. I am sure you can.

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selfhoster11 5 days ago | parent [-]

Last time I had access to o3 on a $20 subscription, the usage limit was laughably low. Accessing it through an API is much better value - I get over 1000 interactions with a much more controllable system message, which is a lot better than ChatGPT Plus.

	▲	whynotminot 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Was that a pretty long time ago? Because I use o3 daily and have never hit a limit. The only "limit" I have really with o3 is my patience -- it's a slow model for regular use. If I don't need its intelligence I'll use o4-mini or even 4o for speed, saving o3 for the prompts that really need it. These days the only model I find I get rate-limited on frustratingly quickly is 4.5. It's clear OpenAI does not really want you using that one, despite the fact that's very good (and probably very expensive for them)! Pretty underrated imo.

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iamnotagenius 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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lm28469 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> stream of high intelligence

I think you're overestimating what people use llms for. The only thing they're democratising is themselves

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LtWorf 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's funny that you think they can't just raise the prices at will. (And by funny i mean really sad)

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whynotminot 6 days ago | parent [-]

Do you think it’s a monopoly? Is it not a competitive market? I see many strong Western competitors along with an expanding array of high quality open source options out of China.

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LtWorf 4 days ago | parent [-]

But the open source options out of china are forbidden because being spied by china is evil while being spied by USA is good… usual free market lovers dropping it whenever.

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whynotminot 4 days ago | parent [-]

Forbidden by who? I can select Kimi as my model in Cursor right now at my American company. What are you even talking about

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LtWorf 3 days ago | parent [-]

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/deepseek...

*by whom

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whynotminot 3 days ago | parent [-]

Err so the American DoD — generally always concerned about supply chain considerations — prefers American models? And that’s surprising or problematic to you?

This is a weird conversation. At first you were concerned about prices and now you’re railing about the US Navy not using Chinese models. What’s your problem here?

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LtWorf 3 days ago | parent [-]

And you think it won't expand? Why?

	▲	whynotminot 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Expand to what? The US Army?

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6031769 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

"High intelligence"? Excuse me while I ROFL.

	▲	whynotminot 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		This attitude will not serve you well in the years to come.

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bartread 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, exactly. Lots of people use AI, if they can afford the subscriptions, but it’s only the tech oligarchs who can control AI, including controlling access to it.

Until you can run high quality models on affordable devices on your desk or in your hand the extent of the democratisation is much more limited than you might like.

Perhaps OSS will come to the rescue here.

(Aside: obviously free tiers are available but these are all hobbled in various ways: usage limits, data sharing/leakage, etc.)