> hard for me to imagine how deporting a million illegal immigrants working under the table, or stealing a social security number, would hurt the minimum wage workers

Immigration is a distraction. Trump is deporting fewer folks than Obama did [1], he’s just doing it while pumping tens of billions to his buddies via ICE contracts.

Tariffs are a regressive tax. If food and metal is more expensive, service and manufacturing workers will be pinches.

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-deportations-trump-six-mont...

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monero-xmr 3 days ago | parent [-]

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JumpCrisscross 3 days ago | parent [-]

> love the argument that deporting illegals is meaningless

Red herring. Nobody said this.

My point is Trump isn’t deporting that many people. His numbers are not economically meaningful compared to tariffs. To the extent there are labour pools that would benefit from deportation, they’re geographically concentrated along the border.

If Trump wanted to remove illegals from the American labour pool, he’d target employers. He can’t [1].

[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/06/16/nx-s1-5430846/farming-industr...

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orionsbelt 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The administration seems to be deliberately making the deportations as cruel and scary as possible (CECOT, Alligator Alcatraz, etc) as a means of deterring future illegal immigration and encouraging self deportation. I haven’t looked into the numbers to see how well that’s working or not, but focusing on deportations alone is missing two thirds of the picture.

I’m not sure if this is accurate, but for example: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/07/31/migrant-crossings-darien...

	▲	toast0 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I expect the numbers will go the way they want. Perhaps because of the cruelty. Perhaps because tariff games make the economy uncertain. Having a recession is a proven way to reduce illegal immigration, and we're at least starting to see recessionary signals.
	▲	Hikikomori 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		If you come here we'll torture you, how very American.

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monero-xmr 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It sounds like you support deporting illegals, as long as we also eliminate tariffs (?)

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JumpCrisscross 3 days ago | parent [-]

> sounds like you support deporting illegals, as long as we also eliminate tariffs

I’m saying irrespective of what you and I believe, the current administration isn’t meaningfully deporting anyone.

(To the extent I have policy views on this, it’s for coherence. You can’t do disruptive deportations while ignoring criminals all while launching on again off again tariffs which preclude both long-term domestic investment and trade-barrier reductions.)

	▲	watwut 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		They are however meaningfully creating fear. The public cruelty and lawlessness will reduce immigration.