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Aurornis 5 days ago

> You seem very intent (here, and in the loneliness thread) on projecting your own experiences as the baseline on which things should be evaluated.

I was pointing out that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

You cannot conclude that a truck never goes off-road by observing them on city streets. That was your claim, and I explained why it didn’t make sense. I also explained why trucks are not primarily sold as off-road vehicles anyway.

> It is a known fact that the vast majority of truck owners rarely ever use the truck bed

If you read the “studies” that make these claims they use two tricks:

First, they specifically exclude a truck defined as a work truck.

Second, they redefine “using the bed” to some arbitrary threshold, like hauling a large load of loose dirt or hauling something over so many hundred pounds.

If you actually believe that truck owners aren’t putting anything in the truck bed, you’re out of touch.

But why does this one point trigger you so much? If I showed you a similar study that the majority of people with back seats rarely had more than 2 people in their cars, would you become similarly enraged at the people buying 5-seat cars instead of a compact 2-seater?

If I showed you a study that the majority of people rarely use more than 200 horsepower would you start getting triggered by all of the 300, 400, or even 500 horsepower cars so wastefully driving around?

There’s something about pickup trucks, specifically, that makes a vocal minority irrationally angry and triggered. It’s a funny meme to watch because so many comments in this thread are absolutely sure that they understand the situation but they don’t understand basic facts about how you can’t tell if someone goes off-road by judging the condition of their paint, or that using a truck for work purposes doesn’t render it visibly damaged in a way that they can see. They just see trucks, get triggered, mix it with misleading “studies”, and come to believe odd conclusions like “truck drivers don’t use their beds”

xocnad 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Why are you triggered by the vocal irrational minority? You seem quite defensive for someone who is confident and comfortable in the the truck they own and how they use it and maintain it.

nwienert 5 days ago | parent [-]

Not them, but I find that people who take out political frustration against non-political things quite annoying.

For example, when Tesla was blue-coded, way more comments here were highly forgiving, if not outright glazing. They became red-coded, and suddenly you’d see tons of highly technical reasons they sucked. You can gut yourself into coming up with many reasons this isn’t true, but it’s definitely true.

Trucks have gotten this since the beginning.

It’s not that it’s triggering, it’s just more annoying to have to waste a lot of time reading things that are clearly therapy for the poster more than any sort of interesting opinion.

01100011 5 days ago | parent [-]

It's getting harder to find good online discussions devoid of bias and emotions. With user moderation, control goes to those with the most time to waste online, meaning the least happy, productive and social.

asats 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

And it's a self reinforcing downward loop as those deteriorating online spaces then completely drive away everyone with anything better to do

master-lincoln 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There is no discussion involving humans that is devoid of biases. It's in our nature. Important is trying to get aware of them...

01100011 4 days ago | parent [-]

Right. Not quite what I'm saying.

Take away the user moderation and you still have bias but you lose the feedback loop. You level the playing field between folks who live in their basements and folks with more balanced lives.

rayiner 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> There’s something about pickup trucks, specifically, that makes a vocal minority irrationally angry and triggered

Because of the cultural coding of pickup trucks, versus say sports cars that might get just as bad mpg.

ricardobeat 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I was pointing out that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

This discussion is pretty much done, but I just wanted to note that I’m not the original poster you were replying to.

> You cannot conclude that a truck never goes off-road by observing them on city streets. That was your claim, and I explained why it didn’t make sense.

No, the claim is that the majority of them are not going off road, not any particular vehicle (yours included).

I enjoy cars, and driving a large pickup is fun. I also happen to think they are not appropriate vehicles for the majority of people, should not be a default option, take up way too much space, and make city roads significantly less safe. This is not an emotional response, just an opinion. If your use of a pickup makes sense I don’t think anyone has a problem with that.

And yes, I also agree that 200hp+ ICE cars are wasteful, and even if they are an EV, most people should not be driving something that powerful as it also has an impact on road safety. Similar thing: you enjoy cars, drive well, and own an SRT? Great, have fun! Should the average driver have one? Hell no.

tapland 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

People using their trucks for truck stuff know most others don’t. They don’t have to make shit up