> A new F150 can get 25mpg on the freeway even without the hybrid option.

As a non-American it's super weird that this is considered a good thing. That'd be considered utterly atrocious in most parts of the developed world.

I completely get that a truck is absolutely the best tool for the job for many people. But it's pretty obvious the OP was pointing out the people who own a truck and use it to get from home to their desk job.

▲ vineyardmike 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

As an American, I think 25 is absolutely abysmal.

It's not good in 2025. The fuel economy of a modern sedan (eg. a Toyota Camry) is around 50. It's just this one poster who is defending trucks saying it's good.

▲ Aurornis 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The average fuel economy for cars on the road right now is around 25mpg.

You can also get a 40-50mpg brand new sedan here if you want, but they serve different purposes.

You can also get a hybrid F150 that gets better mileage.

You can also get a fully electric F150 that doesn’t use any gas at all.

I was trying to make a point to counter the silly assumptions throughout this thread, such as the person who keeps claiming trucks are “incompetent” at being normal vehicles.

	▲	troupo 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> You can also get a 40-50mpg brand new sedan here if you want, but they serve different purposes. They don't. Your average truck is hauling a person from home to work to grocery store to home 10% of the time. 80% of the time it's parked. 90% of the remaining 10% is also covered be a sedan
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▲ FabHK 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a non-American, I operate in l/100 km, and have no idea what 25 mpg is...

	▲	ben_w 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Assuming I used the correct gallon (US!=UK), I think it's 9.4l/100km

▲ HeatrayEnjoyer 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

25 isn't good? That's what my tiny sedan used to get and I sold it not even 5 years ago.

▲ esskay 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

No, not even close to good.

I'm having to convert to US gallons to Imperial here but...

My old ICE car was getting approx 50mpg (which is approx 41mpg for you) and was considered poor for its age. My new one (hybrid) is 60mpg (approx 50mpg for you).

For a fairly modern car (e.g under 10 years old) in the UK you'd expect at least 40–50 MPG (UK) / 33–42 MPG (US), and even that would be considered on the lower end. Most modern cars are either electric or hybrid here these days so you'd expect 60–100 MPG (UK) / 50–83 MPG (US).

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hedgehog 5 days ago | parent [-]

Few modern gas cars will get over 50 US MPG in city usage. 35 MPG is probably a better estimate for the hybrid fleet which is still much, much better than gas cars of a decade ago.

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kristo 4 days ago | parent [-]

My 2011 golf gets 40mpg real world mileage. Tiny engine, but I don’t need to impress anyone with my car

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hedgehog 3 days ago | parent [-]

That's exceptional fuel economy for that car, typical looks like 25-35 MPG. If you are more skilled than average (I'm guessing so), don't have too many short trips, and live somewhere relatively flat no doubt it's doable. Edit: while I was looking I checked out the Prius and RAV4 and it turns out median reported MPG is around 49 and 39 so maybe my intuition is tainted by living in a hillier than average area.

	▲	kristo 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I do live in the Netherlands, and drive conservatively and it is also manual and the smallest engine, all of which might help

▲ _kb 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A Toyota RAV4 (the best calling ICE car in the world) is about half that. They do a hybrid model that’s lower still.

The Toyota Corolla (second best selling) is then lower again.

US cultural perceptions on fuel efficiency are bonkers.

▲ nsriv 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Genuinely terrible, a 15 year old Civic handily gets 35mpg highway, a 2025 non-hybrid gets 47+.

▲ uxp100 5 days ago | parent [-]

A 2025 non-hybrid gets 47+? I don’t think so. That’s pretty close to the EPA rating for the hybrid model.

	▲	ben_w 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		15 year old, so c. 2010. I can easily belive it, though the closest Civic mpg report I found was for a 2012-14 model: `What is the fuel economy, Honda Civic IX Hatchback 2.2 i-DTEC (150 Hp)? 4.4 l/100 km 53.46 US mpg 64.2 UK mpg 22.73 km/l` - https://www.auto-data.net/en/honda-civic-ix-hatchback-2.2-i-... I had use of a Renault Megane for a bit, it was getting something a bit better than that: https://www.auto-data.net/en/renault-megane-iii-phase-ii-201... American cars just aren't at all efficient by anyone else's standards.

▲ xboxnolifes 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

25 is terrible highway mileage. When I (USA) had a pickup truck as my daily commuter for a few years 5-10 years back, I got ~22 mpg on "city" roads, and >30 mpg on highways. And that's not considered good.

▲ dhruvrrp 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My sports sedan gives 25 mpg, and my parent's Toyota hybrid SUV gives 58 mpg.

▲ rayiner 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

My 2019 subaru forester only gets 27 mpg.