| ▲ | wg0 5 days ago |
| EVs are scam of the century. They have diverted so much economic resources into an end product that isn't even reliable let alone having a long life. Yet to talk about the amount of mining, its carbon footprint and pretty much irreversible or really high cost extraction/restoration of batteries apart. Longevity and carbon footprint - If that's not your yardstick than other than that the EVs are great. Have more power than any combustion engine can ever have, have more torque, more acceleration and pretty much zero maintenance as far as the "engine" is concerned. No noise, no emissions, no vibrations either. |
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| ▲ | throw123xz 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > an end product that isn't even reliable let alone having a long life What's unreliable on a modern EV? And what do you mean by "long life", because you now have 10-15 year old EVs that are fine. Obviously some cars aged poorly, like some Tesla which had poor build quality (not an EV problem, but a company problem) or cars like the Nissan Leaf that didn't have battery cooling for years, but what's exactly unreliable on a modern Polestar or a Hyundai? |
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| ▲ | wg0 5 days ago | parent [-] | | You don't need to ask me, check what happened with car rental companies and EVs. It's all pretty evident. | | |
| ▲ | throw123xz 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If you're referring to what happen to companies like Hertz, then according to them the problem wasn't reliability. The cars had more accidents, probably because some were not used to the speed or would get an EV just to test the speed. Why buy Tesla in that case then, when their repairs are known to be super expensive and slow? Then you had people who are not used to EVs and charging trying to use EVs and the companies themselves didn't build the charging infrastructure so customers left with a full battery, but that has nothing to do with reliability. Vehicle depreciation? Again, a Tesla problem because they sold them the cars at a high price before dropping prices (the covid years were very weird). So again, what makes EVs unreliable? It's a simple question. | | |
| ▲ | wg0 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You can't charge them within five minutes like you would load up a traditional car. Battery starts to lose range. Even more so in extreme temperatures. Battery replacement is super expensive. In that amount you can get your engine rebuilt multiple times over. | | |
| ▲ | throw123xz 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You're mixing different problems and clearly have no experience driving or owning EVs. > You can't charge them within five minutes like you would load up a traditional car. Nothing to do with reliability. > Battery starts to lose range. Even more so in extreme temperatures. Yes, you lose ~20% of range if it's snowing or very cold. Is this a reliability issue? > Battery replacement is super expensive. In that amount you can get your engine rebuilt multiple times over. It is very expensive, but batteries are not failing. Again, we now have 10-15 year old cars on the road without battery problems. |
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| ▲ | fruitworks 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think a problem with EVs is that we don't have a depreciation model for the batteries in the same way that we do for the car itself (based on mileage). In an ideal world you could instantly get your battery replaced with a full one at a recharging station and settle the difference in depreciation. The EV ownership model only works right now if you charge it yourself and use it to drive around your own town | |
| ▲ | kccqzy 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Car rental companies hated EVs because of the large depreciation. That's a sign that the technology is progressing quickly. | | |
| ▲ | wg0 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Nah - renters didn't want them. Nobody wants a care for 48 hours on rent out of which at least 12 hours it has to worry about charging it. Superchargers aren't always available or in working condition even if are nearby. And EVs don't deprecate faster because technology is advancing by leap and bounds. It has other factors. | | |
| ▲ | kccqzy 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I rented EVs multiple times. You don't worry about charging as often as 12 out of 48 hours. If there happens to be a convenient L2 charger you plug in. Otherwise you visit a fast charger. Superchargers have excellent availability and uptime. EVs depreciate quickly entirely because of technology advances. In the span of a few years we have seen 800V architectures, LFP batteries becoming commonplace. And semi-solid-state batteries are on the horizon. |
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| ▲ | slater 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Yet to talk about the amount of mining, its carbon footprint and pretty much irreversible or really high cost extraction/restoration of batteries apart. Do you also have similar thoughts on all the infrastructure needed for oil, or is that not to be discussed? I always wonder with the "all the mineral-mining!!!" crowd, do they think the oil infrastructure just arrived overnight? And there was no cost (money and long-term ecological) to it all? |
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| ▲ | fruitworks 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| EVs are simpler than ICE cars. No transmission, more efficient regenerative braking. The only thing the batteries need is lithium, which isn't the most uncommon element. And there will be other battery chemistries in the future. |
