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generalizations 2 days ago

Wait are you seriously equating the home destruction of birds and humans? You’re trying to call me out for seeing those as not morally equal?

Dude, take a step back and examine your entire system of ethics.

Voultapher 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, I'm calling you a human supremacist [1].

There are plenty of examples of things that are not equal like skin color or gender and yet we - I assume you are not racist or sexist - try to treat equal. Drawing a hard line in the sand at human and everything else seems well ... really an Orangutan and a Human are so different that they deserve completely different rights, what about whales that have languages likely as complex or more complex than humans? Don't get me wrong I don't believe a cricket has the same emotional reasoning capabilities as a human. But it strikes me as very human to define in-groups people like you and people or beings other than you and using that as justification to do horrible things to them.

[1] https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2024/08/mm-12-human-supremacy/

generalizations 2 days ago | parent [-]

First of all, you've created a strawman out of what you assume I believe.

> But it strikes me as very human to define in-groups people like you and people or beings other than you and using that as justification to do horrible things to them.

This is a behavior nonspecific to humans...not sure if you've heard of it, but there's this fascinating emergent behavior among wild animals that naturalists have occasionally observed - in colloquial terms, they've labeled it "predator and prey".

Voultapher 2 days ago | parent [-]

Comparing the industrialized usage of animals like pigs and cows to "predator and prey" is not a good comparison in my opinion. For the record I'm totally fine with indigenous humans hunting and killing animals. The scale and industrialized nature is what makes a big difference I find, the same way killing someone in self defense and genocide both involve the murder of humans, yet there is a qualitative difference I wouldn't ignore.

Many predatory species engage in behavior that limits their hunting to avoid making their prey extinct. Right now extinction rates are >1000x above the baseline a couple hundred years ago. What we are doing to the biosphere we are currently part of is short sighted self sabotage - which is in large parts fueled by a wide spread human supremacist mindset.