What's going to be interesting is when the next Democratic administration comes into power, they're going to be extremely anti-Israel, given that the Democratic base is fully against Israel now at a 5:1 ratio. There will never be another Democratic President that supports Israel (none of the pro-israel candidates have any hope of ever being President) and this will mean extremely hard anti-Israeli action, using precedent like this to push anti-Islamophobia messages.

You can imagine the next Democrat administration defunding universities based on their collaboration with Israel, for example. Or defunding universities based on their punishment of pro-Palestinian demonstrators, etc..

People should accept that Israel lost against Hamas and be prepared for the consequences of that going forward. It's pretty much the same as a Vietnam situation, with the war being won/lost based on public opinion.

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hermitcrab 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

>People should accept that Israel lost against Hamas

It looks to me that the extremists in Hamas gave extremist Israelis the excuse to do what they always wanted to do. And everyone who isn't an extremist lost. Meanwhile, the Hamas leadership are living in 5 star luxury in Qatar.

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Hikikomori 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The party largely fully supports Israel.

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wiz21c 4 days ago | parent [-]

I live in Europe and according the common media outlets, the US absolutely, totally, forever support Israel. "largely" is too weak of a word here.

And now honnest question: why is this support so strong in the US ? are the ties with the jewish/israely community so deep between these two peoples ?

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kj4211cash 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

You and the other replies focus too much on the Jewish community within the US. Support for Israel is very strong in the US, particularly among Republicans, because of the rise of Evangelical Christians. Evangelicals have ... religious reasons for supporting of Israel. They also strongly identify with Europe and people with European backgrounds. They have an inability to identify with Palestinians.

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Hikikomori 4 days ago | parent [-]

When it comes to the democratic parties loyalty to Israel I think it's mostly the work of AIPAC that is responsible.

	▲	kj4211cash 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		There's some truth to this but it's also an anti-semitic trope. There are a whole bunch of Jewish people on the Left that don't support the current Israeli regime.

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cmrdporcupine 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real story here is the way Zionism has so deeply and intensely and succesffully managed to tie Jewishness to Israel-iness.

And so many people who are rightfully proud of their Jewish ethnicity and cultural identification -- a rich and beautiful culture that has had absolutely outsized contributions to art, science, culture in the west, with a history of being persecuted and mistreated by said "west" -- have become defacto "citizens-abroad" and advocates for Israeli positions in all things.

That combined with a deep and historical distrust of Islam in western culture...

It's the same story here in Canada. How deep the bank account for this blank cheque is, I don't know.

I should say that as a left wing critic of what happens in the middle east under Israel's banner, I am also deeply uncomfortable with some of the anti-Semitic tinge some forms of the protest take. It's a conundrum.

It is absolutely important to make it clear the criticism is of the actions of Israel, and not "Jews"

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Hikikomori 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Largely as we have people like AOC, Ilhan and Bernie. Maybe a stretch to say they're part of the party.

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twixfel 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The only country the Americans love and worship more than their own country is Israel. I can understand brain dead nationalism for your own country, but brain dead nationalism for another country, especially one doing the things Israel is doing... it's very strange.

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		There's at least a few factors in play... Christian sects that believe the second coming of Jesus is not too far away believe that Israel's existence is critical to bring that to pass. People with anti-muslim or anti-arabian feelings see Israel as a counterweight to muslim and arabian power in the middle east. There's a lot of people who, consciously or not, equate anything other than total support for Israel with antisemitism.

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nyeah 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Democratic party supports Israel just fine. The party is not run by weirdo academics who can't even remember the Hamas attacks.

The worst that serious Democrats might do is publicly compare Israel's current behavior to the US's lashing out at Afghanistan after the WTC attacks.

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vFunct 4 days ago | parent [-]

The Democratic Party doesn't support Israel at all. The current elected officials do, but not the base. Polls show support for Palestine over Israel at a 5:1 ratio.

This is resulting in current Democratic elected officials being removed from power when their term expires, starting with the US Presidency last year, which was lost BECAUSE of their support for Israel. A YouGov poll earlier this year showed the primary reason Biden 2020 voters didn't vote for Harris was because of Israel: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

This is all happening quickly. You won't see any Democratic candidate that supports Israel run for President in 2028.

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nyeah 4 days ago | parent [-]

Sorry, that is a mix of speculative fiction and self-contradiction. The GOP supports Israel at least as strongly as the Democrats do. So how did Harris' support for Israel cost her the election?

Supporting Israel, including acknowledging their right to respond militarily to terrorist attacks, is one thing. Falling deeply in love with Netanyahu's current policies is another. Freaking out and caring only about Hamas is ... a third thing.

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te_chris 4 days ago | parent [-]

Trump got less votes last time than when he lost to Biden. The democrats lost, trump didn’t win. People stayed home.

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nyeah 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good point. I'm not convinced that support for Israel was the issue, though.

There are lunatics in the US who seem to have completely forgotten the 1300-1400 Israelis killed by Hamas just last year, but who can see the human disaster in Gaza. I don't think those people are so politically engaged on that single issue that they deliberately stayed home from the polls and let Trump win ... in order to ... help people in Gaza? I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit together.

EDIT: To be fair those same folks are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot. So who knows?

EDIT 2: Some of the lunatics above are probably anti-Semitic, despite Trump's claims that they are anti-Semitic. But again how does that drive them to help Trump right now?

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fc417fc802 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> completely forgotten

More like the two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Imagine if the US had surrounded Baghdad and intentionally starved the residents. And even that example still fails to account for some of the context.

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nyeah 4 days ago | parent [-]

Sorry? Do you not remember Fallujah?

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fc417fc802 4 days ago | parent [-]

You mean the siege where the US allowed 70k refugees to leave 10 days in, actively facilitated the entry of aid, and ultimately gave in to the political pressure to relent in slightly over a month? That Fallujah?

For the record I don't doubt for a second that the same people who protest against Israel now would also have been among those campaigning against the US at the time.

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		Parts of that are true. Parts of it are a bedtime story to help Americans cope with the reality of what our nation did. EDIT: Recall that Iraq had nothing to do with the WTC attacks. Some people truly try to protest all the horrors of war on all sides, everywhere. Others try to make "Country X" sound worse than anybody else. I don't have your insight into who has what agenda.

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michtzik 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

From Wikipedia right now:

2024: Trump 77,302,580

2020: Trump 74,223,975

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soulofmischief 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Haha, that's funny. What'll really happen is they'll campaign and say one thing, then do another once in office, maintaining status quo for the elite and war machine as they've been doing for decades in tandem with the Republican party, gaslighting the American public at every level.