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| ▲ | A_D_E_P_T 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| lol no. They're waging a war against a captive civilian population in a way that shocks the conscience and horrifies most neutral observers. There were a thousand other paths they could have taken to "eradicate Hamas," but they chose the one that has no endgame, has thus far left Hamas in power, and inflicts nearly maximal human suffering. (They should have set up a humanitarian corridor that evacuates innocents to well-provisioned aid stations and temporary residences in the Negev.) And, ultimately, if you're killing more women and children than enemy combatants, I think you're doing it very wrong. |
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| ▲ | IsTom 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I used to think that, until they got more and more aggressive about West Bank and Syria. |
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| ▲ | brookst 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You’re right that it’s Trail of Tears all over again. But many Americans see that as a shameful part of our history, not a reason to support other genocides. |
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| ▲ | epolanski 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Israel is doing what they need to do to eradicate Hamas Friendly reminder that the current Israeli government has for years supported Hamas, ignored the PLO and did it's best to isolate Palestinians in the west bank from those in Gaza. Supporting and recognizing Hamas, allowing it to arm and find funds, by Israel was a deliberate move to avoid any two state solutions discussions. Also, Israeli intelligence knew that October 7 was going to happen from one year prior (albeit they ignored the date) and did it's best to avoid preventing it. Also no, US does not do anything when it comes to Israeli weapons killing countless civilians, no profit workers, doctors, nurses etc, neither in Gaza nor in other bordering countries. |
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| ▲ | vFunct 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | mupuff1234 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Didn't Palestinians attack Israel in 1948 and end up losing? | | |
| ▲ | vFunct 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Palestine never attacked Europe. European Jews attacked Palestine and started killing Palestinians to remove them in order to create the state of Israel. They invaded with boatloads of weapons brought in from Europe, starting in 1947 before the state of Israel even existed. And they were doing the same stuff back then as they are doing now, such as burning children alive, as witnesses recalled during the Deir Yassin massacre, as well as rapes of Palestinians, as their own soldiers recalled. (see the amazing "Tantura" documentary describing war crimes committed by the European Jews during the Nakba) Israel never won this war they started. They never got Palestine to surrender. This is why their homes are required to have bomb shelters, since all the Israeli colonists are living in an active war zone from a war they started. | |
| ▲ | fakedang 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Palestine didn't exist in 1948 to issue a declaration of war. Egypt, Jordan and Syria declared war. After the 1948 war, the Gaza Strip was given to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan. | |
| ▲ | twixfel 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | No country on Earth and no people on Earth would accept what the UN declared for Palestine and the Palestinians in 1947. | | |
| ▲ | mupuff1234 4 days ago | parent [-] | | So violence is the answer? | | |
| ▲ | twixfel 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The UN partition was an act of violence. Violence leads to violence. It's not even about right or wrong, it's just eminently predictable and blaming the Arabs for not accepting it is just ridiculous. Of course they didn't accept it. Nobody would have accepted it in their position. | | |
| ▲ | mupuff1234 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Do you also agree that with the same logic it makes no sense for Israel to agree to something like the right of return? Nobody else in their position would accept it. | | |
| ▲ | twixfel 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I can certainly see why the Israelis don't want it. I would start with ending the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank and end the war in Gaza before Israel ends up any more of a pariah state than it already is. Colonisation in 2025 is a really, really bad look tbh. | | |
| ▲ | mupuff1234 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Fair, although I I think it's pretty clear that no one would want that, just as you claim no one would agree to the UN partition. And I think colonization is really the wrong term here, it's just two native populations fighting over a piece of land - not exactly a new historical concept. | | |
| ▲ | twixfel 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Right, "settler colonialism" is probably the more precise term. Colonialism is too vague. > it's just two native populations fighting over a piece of land - not exactly a new historical concept That doesn't mean it's not colonialism. And the Israelis have less right to the West Bank than I, as an Anglo-Saxon, have to Lower Saxony, which is still not very much. | |
| ▲ | adhamsalama 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | TIL Americans and Europeans are native to Palestine. |
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