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willvarfar 4 days ago

I'm guessing that Terence really wants to be surrounded by thinkers of his calibre. So he gravitated to the ivy league. Perhaps in the future there will be a new gravity well where these minds congregate?

tossandthrow 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That there should be only 8 places in the world where you can find elite thinkers, all located in the US, is such extreme American nationalism and straight up ignorant.

SpaceNugget 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's not what the person said. Give a little bit of the benefit of the doubt when interpreting posts. Using the context of a person who grew up and was educated in the Anglosphere. Obviously the ivy league is going to be one of the more attractive options for finding a larger group of elite mathematical researchers. They have a ton of funding compared to most places and draw in many other brilliant people from around the world. That doesn't mean there's no elite thinkers anywhere else, just that it's inevitably going to be a strong contender for where a very bright person looking for that kind of environment would consider.

nyeah 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stop and think about this rationally for a minute. A first-rate school needs to have an American football team. Otherwise it's basically not in any league.

dgfitz 4 days ago | parent [-]

Don't tell CalTech...

seanmcdirmid 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

MIT also. Football is such a distraction in the US (I went to a school with a good football team, and people ask me how many games I attended...I can answer none).

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ben_w 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, there's also two such places in the UK.

Thing is, I do find myself missing the one I spent nearly a decade living in, because such networks are self-sorting and I didn't realise how rare it was until I failed to find it again after leaving.

(Still, Berlin is doing me good in almost all other aspects besides being able to accidentally find I've moved right around the corner from the same pub frequented by the author of PuTTY and a co-author of the proof that Magic The Gathering is Turing-complete and one of the Debian project leaders (seriously, all three went to the same pub, and I didn't know before I moved to Cambridge the first time back in 2007)).

petesergeant 4 days ago | parent [-]

> there's also two such places in the UK

Oxford and Imperial?

ben_w 4 days ago | parent [-]

Hah! No, the reason I'd say against Imperial isn't the college itself (but even then, is still third on the list of Oxbridge and), it's similar to why I'm not tripping over smart people here in Berlin: fantastic public transit means the smart people aren't all squished together.

Town and gown, massive town. Diluted organisational opportunity, less room for serendipity in meeting fellow nerds of whatever topic of interest.

That said, I do not know the social organisational structures of much of the USA, so it's plausible that this reasoning doesn't work because the USA has the same spread-out-ness from all the cars, or perhaps everyone in both just knows how to find the nerdy and geeky Schelling points…

But (Old) Cambridge? Geeking opportunities are as densely packed in Cambridge as archeology is within 2km of the Parthenon in Athens. Oxford certainly looks similar to Cambridge in this regard. At least, when I visited, as a tourist, given I didn't live in Oxford at any point.

petesergeant 3 days ago | parent [-]

With the caveat that I have degrees from Oxford and Cambridge but not Imperial

> but even then, is still third on the list of Oxbridge

Is this still true? Any ranking I’ve seen recently generally has it right up there. It feels like it’s a name recognition thing rather than quality meter at this point, like Caltech vs MIT.

Your points about geography are well taken though.

ben_w 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Any ranking I’ve seen recently generally has it right up there.

Really? Hm.

The listings I've seen, and the first I found, were UK-focused ones, which put Oxford and Cambridge in the top two, sometimes with others as joint-second, then after that Imperial, e.g. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/best-universiti...

But to support your claim, I did just find an international ranking that is confusing me by giving rankings for 2026, and for 2025 and 2026 puts Imperial before (and previous years, behind) both of Oxbridge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QS_World_University_Rankings

gregjw 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very very funny.

mensetmanusman 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

We can thank Hitler for the exodus of academics to the US and for the creation of the Israel/Palestine issue (without the holocaust/ww2, the state would never had been made).

lotsofpulp 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Israel/Palestine started long before WW2.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine/World-War-I-and-a...

mensetmanusman 4 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, but the final push was due to Germany’s neighbors passing the buck on helping fleeing Jews. After the world learned the consequences of that, the political will to create the state was cemented.

Tainnor 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We won't know if Israel would or wouldn't have been created if the Holocaust hadn't happened, but Jewish immigration to Palestine started much earlier in response to renewed pogroms and rising antisemitism in the late 19th / early 20th century. Already in the 1920s there were tensions and occasional eruptions of violence in Palestine.

sitkack 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Zionism and Jewish colonizing of Palestine started before WW1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

peterfirefly 4 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, but they didn't steal the land until after WW2. What happened in the decades before WW2 is a strong warning to everybody about what can happen when you have mass immigration of young radicals of military age.

nyeah 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah. We've coasted for a long time on importation of geniuses and on being the only un-bombed industrial nation ... in 1946.

And now we've largely closed the door to geniuses from wealthy countries. (Why take the risk of living in the USA right now?) We've even taken the first few steps towards deliberately driving out the geniuses we have. I didn't expect that even six months ago.

mensetmanusman 4 days ago | parent [-]

Academic institutions in the last decade or two started pre-filtering based on ideology goals before taking into account actual research. In general the system was veering off as the massive bureaucracy gained mission creep.

nyeah 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

So I hear. But how much has that really affected medicine, math, physics, chemistry, engineering? And is destroying universities altogether really the solution?

andrepd 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What do you mean?

fakedang 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Jews were already migrating to British Mandate since the 1900s (read about the Aliyah). Even without Hitler, communist expansion would have resulted in a World War 2 (with different players) and a mass Jewish exodus (from Russia, which happened later on in our timeline). Jews were already carrying out terror attacks on both Palestinians and British troops and Britain was already stretched thin after WW1.

The creation of a rogue Israel happened with decolonization, and while it might have been delayed, was inevitable.

est31 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Currently he is at UCLA which is technically not an Ivy League place but a public ivy. As for thinkers of equal caliber, he is probably quite alone anyway. But if you look at the list of Fields medalists, there is a lot of europeans in that list who are still in europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal#List_of_Fields_me...

chollida1 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> So he gravitated to the ivy league. Perhaps in the future there will be a new gravity well where these minds congregate?

Doesn't he work at UCLA?