> I have plenty of arguments against Firefox, but engaging in browser holy wars is so tiresome.

I think you're trying to make up irrational excuses.

If you feel the need to criticise something and be vocal about it, the very least that's expected from you is that you present your basis that sparked your vocal criticism of something.

If you are very vocal to shit talk about something but cannot present any basis supporting your personal opinion or put together a coherent argument, that tells everything to know about what credit should be given to what you feel compelled to say.

> I used Firefox since before it was called Firefox up until v89 (I think) when I finally had enough. That's when they for the millionth time messed up the UI in new fanciful ways, and removed more features I relied upon daily.

Firefox's UI barely changed in over a decade.

The biggest change they rolled out in the last decade was introducing and removing Pocket, and the sidebar and vertical tab support introduced last year.

> It's a pattern going back decades,

Point out exactly what you single out as what you feel represents the best example.

So far you wrote a wall of text and mentioned absolutely nothing that supported such a visceral opinion.

> So in summary, for me it was very much a paper-cuts thing (...)

You mentioned no paper cut. You just wrote a wall of text about nothing. No wonder you shielded yourself behind "browser holy wars" nonsense.

▲ encom 4 days ago | parent [-]

>mentioned absolutely nothing

Yes I did, you didn't read a word of my post.

>Firefox's UI barely changed in over a decade.

Blatantly false. Many such cases. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/fresh-new-look-for-firef...

>irrational excuses

You seem irrationally hostile because I offended your favorite browser.

>best example

The best example is probably their design philosophy which seems to mirror that of Gnome which is, we know what's best for you and you will use our software how we envision because we know better. I didn't keep a list of every Firefox annoyance in preparation of having another pointless internet argument one day, but I mentioned the straw that broke the camels back, and I pointed out how Vivaldi gets UI right.

▲ godelski 4 days ago | parent [-]

  > Many such cases. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/fresh-new-look-for-firef...

Wait, you mean when they just hid the home button by default? Idk, didn't they round some corners at that time too? Matching the style everyone else was doing. The video they reference is here[0]. Even on that page you link it looks more like over selling the redesign... I remember that change and how it really didn't feel different. It looks a lot like my browser currently is except I enabled vertical tabs and groups, which, to be clear, both are optional. Oh, I noticed the download icon currently has little edges like ⎵ instead of _ and the back and forward arrows don't have circles around them. I'm really having a hard time finding the differences tbh.

Also, you can, and always have been able to right click the toolbar and click "customize toolbar" if you really want the home button back. They do keep your settings and it will sync across browser accounts.

I mean you can have preferences and that's all cool, but these don't really seem to be reasons to have such passionate dislike. They're fine for indifference and a different preference, but hate?

But I do envy you. I wish I had such a life that the difference between viewing an image in the same tab and a new tab was the biggest problem I had to worry about.

[0] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/new-firefox-coming-june-...

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