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1718627440 3 days ago

Sure mathematical expressions are expressions of a language, but the name of constants and how we describe them, isn't what matters.

It's the fact that a shape that has perfect symmetry in infinite directions, the effects of same weather phenomena we called lightning and the limit on information propagation (and million other things I just forgot about) all have a thing in common.

And all this is totally unrelated from our perception or even the existence of humans.

> just linguistic notations stacked upon each other until statements like 2*pi*r = c are true.

You can totally make sound linguistic notations, that just have no grounding in reality. It seams like you think it's only about the linguistic statement, but the language is invented to describe something that exists outside of it.

resource_waste 3 days ago | parent [-]

You find a circle interesting.

Do you also find ovals interesting? You find lightning interesting, but do you find a few atoms blowing in the wind interesting?

Why are some things more interesting than others?

1718627440 3 days ago | parent [-]

> You find a circle interesting.

Yes, but finding something interesting is a thing that humans do, that's only relevant here if humans are the study object.

> Do you also find ovals interesting?

Yeah they are quite like a circle, but not exactly. Also why do planets "know" how to move? Why isn't it random?

> do you find a few atoms blowing in the wind interesting?

If have the time and the means to study them and I can learn something through that, then sure?

> Why are some things more interesting than others?

To us humans? Because some things are more accessible than others, some things are more generalisable than others, some things are more useful than others. Humans are curious, they like to know properties about things. Why? I have no explanation grounded in natural-science, (only in economics, behavioral science and religion). But that doesn't matter, because these properties stay true no matter what we do. Humans can't know them all, because we are finite and only have access to limited resources.

It's just that these things exist. And they behave. And they are describable by descriptions that are way simpler then they are large. These are complex systems and they are describable by a single number. That's what makes pi special.

cwmoore 3 days ago | parent [-]

> “Why do planets ‘know’ how to move?”

Interesting indeed.