I think we're talking at cross-purposes here - I'm not really taking a position one way or another on whether the Tories would/could have reduced immigration, and they certainly didn't deliver on that.

I was just pretty flabbergasted at the time by the blanket misunderstandings of the system that was being talked about, seemingly from all sides.

I didn't vote for them either way :shrug:

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scott_w 4 days ago | parent [-]

I think it's important to understand the context, which is where my initial reply was aimed at:

> Wtf are you talking about? The Conservatives promised to reduce immigration in 2019.

Taken with that context, it's important to understand the manifesto to realise they didn't really "promise" to reduce immigration.

> I was just pretty flabbergasted at the time by the blanket misunderstandings of the system

A lot of blame belongs with our media. Frankly, it's piss-poor, barely goes beyond surface level reading of things and attempts to get soundbites out of politicians. I get more out of random YouTubers and podcasters, which has its own problems because how do you know which ones know what they're talking about?

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scott_w 4 days ago | parent [-]

> I didn't vote for them either way :shrug:

Just to clarify on this point, I didn't mean "you" as in literally "you," I intended this in the informal "you" that's used in British English to indirectly refer to a group of people.

	▲	Nursie 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		I know, just wanted to be sure I wasn’t coming across as a frustrated Tory voter!