I want to say again that I don't think their plan pricing is straightforward, but (at least when I was looking at it the other day) I came away with the (correct, imo) impression that the 5x and 20x were just marketing terms and I should take it with a grain of salt. I agree it's not literally what it sounds like.

I think the disconnect here is that the 5x or 20x is true within a single session (and you'll see their website seems to always say this, clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb). The above about weekly quotas etc., isn't within a single session so the 5 or 20x no longer applies.

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jjani 4 days ago | parent [-]

I'm sorry but that's gaslighting in the face of literally being shown the payment page that shows otherwise. "5x more usage than Pro" and "20x more usage than Pro" cannot be reasonably interpreted in the way you're doing. It doesn't matter how much you preface it with "I don't think it's straightforward".

> clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb

If their legal team in fact did, they'll have said "yup, that payment page won't fly if you'd get sued in Germany/Australia/anywhere with remotely decent consumer protections" and Anthropic just decided to roll with it anyway as they did while breaking millions of websites' ToS, pirating half the world's books, academic papers and more. As the chance they'll actually get sued and receive meaningful punishment is negligible.

You're either incredibly naive, are doing similar things and justifying it, or have a personal stake in this. There's no other explanation. You can look at my comment history and see that I'm generally nice and don't comment in this manner, but you're leaving no other option as this can no longer be framed as good faith.

	▲	foota 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Are we reading different pages? Their pricing page: "Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro*". Per session is the important bit here. I do see that their sign up/registration page doesn't include the per session text, instead saying just "5-20x more usage than Pro". I do think the per session but is the part that makes it true, but I also don't think you're being skeptical enough. If something says 20x more I'm obviously going to look for 20x of what, and I think it's on the reader to realize what they're signing up for. I don't have any stake in this, anthropic, or AI; but I don't like it when people flame something that I think is understandable. It's certainly a bit of spin, but I don't wouldn't go so far as to say it's unethical etc.,.