| ▲ | cchance 6 days ago |
| Am i the only one that finds System Information: Hardware specs, OS details, architecture
Usage Patterns: Active time, session duration, feature usage
Performance Metrics: Response times, resource consumption
Unique Identifiers: Machine ID, user ID, device fingerprints
Workspace Details: Project information, file paths (obfuscated)
Not to really bad that obtrusive? Like i don't really see anything there that i'd be offended in them taking? |
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| ▲ | user3939382 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't want any program on my computer including the OS to make any network calls whatsoever unless they're directly associated with executing GUI/CLI interactions I have currently undertaken as the user. Any exception should be opt-in. IMHO the entire Overton window of these remote communications is in the wrong place. |
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| ▲ | tonyhart7 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah but this is industry standard not saying this is good but everyone do this | | |
| ▲ | shit_game 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It's industry standard for porn stars to get fucked on camera. But I'm not a porn star, and I don't want to be fucked on camera. Handwaving away this abuse of privacy by saying "everyone does it because it makes money" is a gross justification. | | |
| ▲ | tonyhart7 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | same reason you apply at porn stars analogy no one force you to use these tools, you can use another tools that suit your needs if you read terms of service and privacy policy then you agree to it because you use it then company have right too | | | |
| ▲ | blackoil 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Then why are you in a porn movie? | | |
| ▲ | shit_game 6 days ago | parent [-] | | To further the analogy, sex may be an industry, but not everyone who participates does so comercially. Some who do so comercially may not want to be filmed. |
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| ▲ | naikrovek 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Yeah but this is industry standard we don't have to accept it. but people say "it's just how we do it" and suddenly people just accept it. i really feel like our society is going to collapse soon, if it hasn't already begun to. the amount of total crap that people are put through just so that ads can be more targeted to users. we are creating a hellscape for privacy and freedom just so people click on ads. it is pure and complete insanity, and no one cares. | |
| ▲ | grishka 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The industry is in a rather sorry state right now though. We can, and should, do better. |
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| ▲ | replwoacause 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | gleenn 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Because we should be in control of our software not the other way around | |
| ▲ | grishka 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because software is a tool. It serves the user and only the user, and no one else. Ideally, a device I own should never act in anyone else's interests. |
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| ▲ | ipaddr 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would not want to share these: Unique Identifiers: Machine ID, user ID, device fingerprints
Workspace Details: Project information, file paths (obfuscated) Plus os details. I'd rather none. |
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| ▲ | maven29 6 days ago | parent [-] | | How do you do abuse detection for free-tier without these? | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Provide a light version of your app for the free tier that does not use any remote resources ofc. Then you don't have to worry about "abuse". | |
| ▲ | Y_Y 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Counter-abuse is hardly the answer | |
| ▲ | bravesoul2 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same way Linux does it. |
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| ▲ | macintux 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I always want the choice to be mine. I was interested in learning Dart until the installer told me Google would be collecting telemetry. For a programming language. I’ve never looked at it again. |
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| ▲ | FuturisticGoo 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It can be disabled btw. And no telemetry is collected on first run. I keep it disabled for both Dart and Flutter. | | |
| ▲ | macintux 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Maybe someday I’ll give it a shot, but it’s hard to undo the damage from a terrible first impression like that. |
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| ▲ | ragequittah 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | As a somewhat paranoid person I find this level of paranoia beyond me. Like do you own a car? Or a phone? A credit card? Walk around in public where there's cameras on every block? I don't agree with it at all but the world we're living it makes it impossible to not be tracked with way more than (usually anonymized) telemetry data. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > (usually anonymized) telemetry data. Anonymization is usually a lie: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20513521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21428449 Also please stop with security/privacy nihilism, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27897975 | | |
| ▲ | ragequittah 5 days ago | parent [-] | | It's not nihilism. I still ad block, use an RFID wallet, and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything. But at some point when something is so ridiculously useful and the data they're getting doesn't really mean much of anything I have to stop caring. I use Windows 11 (gross) because it lets me play video games with my friends I can't otherwise. I use Uber because it lets me get across town. I use Visual Studio because it helps me code. I use Chatgpt because it helps me with so many things. To take away any one of those because I'm a privacy absolutist seems silly to me. It has the exact same vibe of never leaving your room because you're afraid of all the cameras. I'd like there to be a push back against these companies because I find their practices disgusting but running linux with only open source software and a fairphone is just an extreme I'm unwilling to entertain because it's just not possible in my (or most people's) world. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything And yet you are fine with personalized telemetry from Google on your PC? This is self-contradictory. | | |
| ▲ | macintux 4 days ago | parent [-] | | In fairness, as others have pointed out, the phone is much more personal than the home computer. Your phone is almost always with you, collecting much more intimate data than your PC can. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 4 days ago | parent [-] | | This not always true, at least not for me. I trust my laptop with disabled Intel ME running Qubes OS much more than my phone. | | |
| ▲ | macintux 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I didn't say the phone was more trusted, I said it was more personal. Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting. It knows who calls you, who you call, who you message. The laptop may know some of that, but it doesn't have the same sensors, and doesn't stay with you most times you leave the house. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting Indeed, it's true for most people, but I use Librem 5 with hardware kill switches for modem, sensors etc. | | |
| ▲ | ragequittah 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I think the thing you neglect when having setups like this is that you start to garner interest from law enforcement if they ever come across you. You're trying so hard to cover your tracks that you stand out very clearly in a crowd. There's a middle ground between living deep in the woods without windows and walking around naked in public. | | |
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| ▲ | macintux 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm aware I'm being tracked all the time. That doesn't mean I have to encourage more of it. We all pick our own battles. |
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| ▲ | pigbearpig 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Seems like a lot, especially after checking "disable telemetry" |
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| ▲ | dontdoxxme 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "file paths (obfuscated)" -- this is likely enough for them to work out who the user is, if they work on open source software. They get granular timing data and the files the user has edited, which they could match with open source PRs in their analytics pipeline. I suspect they aren't actually doing that, but the GDPR cares not what you're doing with the data, but what is possible with it, hence why any identifier (even "obfuscated") which could lead back to a user is considered PII. |
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| ▲ | bhaney 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, you're the only one. |
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| ▲ | ivanjermakov 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Imagine your text editor sending network data to unknown resources and there is no way to disable that |
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| ▲ | Natthaphon 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Honestly, I found this whole thread kind of strange. There’s nothing here beyond what most connected IDEs — or even basic office software — already collect by default. It feels like the goal was more about grabbing attention than raising a real issue. But sure, toss “ByteDance” and “data” into a headline and suddenly it’s breaking news. I'm just tired of this kind of "Big News"- it's boring. |
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| ▲ | lordofgibbons 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I honestly don't think how it could possibly get any more intrusive without directly uploading files. |
