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fsflover 4 days ago

> end-to-end encryption has never been shown to work in a real system with normal people

Matrix has solved this problem.

apitman 4 days ago | parent [-]

I've tried to adopt Matrix multiple times over years.

IMO the UX is evidence that e2ee is not solved.

Arathorn 4 days ago | parent [-]

we solved it in element x, but there appears to be massive inertia towards adopting it because it doesn’t have threads or spaces yet.

apitman 4 days ago | parent [-]

If I only use 1 device for 5 years, then lose it, how do I recover?

fsflover 3 days ago | parent [-]

From a backup?

apitman 3 days ago | parent [-]

Backed up from what? People only use the cloud for backups, at which point the e2ee is compromised.

fsflover 2 days ago | parent [-]

It doesn't matter what people are currently doing. In Matrix, there is a possibility to make reliable, encrypted backups. It can also be done with a simple interface.