Pretty sure there are plenty of traditional x86 Linux laptops that have north of 12h battery life. System76 comes to mind (mandatory "System76 is just a Clevo wrapper" comment).

▲ kllrnohj 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

My AMD Framework 13 running Fedora (an officially supported option: https://frame.work/linux ) also gets around that amount of battery life. And can run games surprisingly well.

▲ aurareturn 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

  My AMD Framework 13 running Fedora (an officially supported option: https://frame.work/linux ) also gets around that amount of battery life. And can run games surprisingly well.

Macs don't throttle when you unplug it. All AMD laptops do.

Even when plugged in, AMD laptops are quite a bit slower than Macs. When unplugged, it's not even close.

▲ umbra07 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That puts you at just over 5W average on a 61whr battery. I find that very hard to believe. 5W is achievable if you drastically limit the CPU governor, physically disable the mic/camera, using a chart-topping power-efficient SSD, all while actually doing nothing. Just a single YouTube video in a single firefox tab will bring you up to at least 10W.

	▲	kllrnohj 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Just a single YouTube video in a single firefox tab will bring you up to at least 10W. 10W for video playback is a lot. 5w average for light workloads is not unrealistic... I think your perception of power consumption is a number of years out of date at this point. After all, Apple claims 18 hours from a 54watt-hour battery - you really think nobody else can get within 2x of that?

▲ darthrupert 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Does it really? I had an AMD framework at one point, and I seem to remember 5 hour use times on battery, max.

▲ darthrupert 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lenovo X1 Carbon g13 gets you close to 12h. Also similar results for other laptops using the same CPU, such as Asus Zenbook S14.

▲ trelane 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not "just a Clevo wrapper."

Clevo is their ODM. They work with Clevo to put together a laptop, and Clevo gets the right to sell a Windows variant. Their version differs, particularly in firmware but also possibly in chips.

▲ volemo 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

But do they weigh 3 lbs at the same time?

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bgnn 5 days ago | parent [-]

Laptops with Intel Lunar Lake (i.e. 258V) CPUs get upwards of 12 hours easily, often in 15-18 hour range depending on the battery size. Just a quick search reveals for example Dell XPS 13 9350 (Core Ultra 7 258V) is Ubuntu certified [1], weighs 2.6 pounds, and has long battery life (17-18 hours video streaming on Windows).

[1] https://ubuntu.com/certified/202407-34214

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aurareturn 5 days ago | parent [-]

Lunar Lake laptops throttle a lot when unplugged. They run benchmarks plugged in and in maximum performance mode but battery benchmarks in max battery mode.

	▲	bgnn 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		True, but the throttled performance on battery is enough for office work / coding / browsing workloads. Is it matching Apple silicon, probably not. Is Linux matching MacOS on SW/HW optimization? Probably not either.