That makes sense. I have always thought about what I would do if I could make a "modern scheme". A lot would be taken from clojure but definitely not everything. Cons cells would stay, but the star of the show would be immutable vectors based on rrb trees or maybe finger trees (efficient concatenation, insertion in the middle etc), HAMTs , concurrentML (like guile-fibers) and a nice looping facility (like my own goof-loop[1]) and restricted mutation. Syntax-case and syntax-parse from racket. An extensible pattern matcher (like the one found in racket).

I would also make strings immutable, maybe like Guile's cow-strings, maybe blobs-with-cursors.

Definitely just copy Guile's delimited continuations.

I think I would just ignore most of r7rs, since I don't think it improves things for the progrmmer.

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bjoli 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

[1] https://rikspucko.koketteriet.se/bjoli/goof-loop

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shawn_w 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Racket has almost all of that.

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bjoli 5 days ago | parent [-]

I am no fan of racket's for loops. It is frustrating, because it fells like an almost-goosd looping facility.

I do use racket, but for scripts I prefer guile. Guile-fibers is a lot neater than the racket parallelism situation, for example. And I can usually find the code responsible for what IAM trying to achieve in the implementation. I never became friends with racket. I remember trying to fix a bug, but I never found what I was looking for.

Getting superficially familiar with the guile codebase takes about an hour.

Then again, I am a classical musician and not a programmer.

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shawn_w 5 days ago | parent [-]

Racket's for loops declare in their name what they're intended to return (if anything). Personally that's way more readable and preferable to, say, Common Lisp loop or iterate where you have to hunt through the body for clues. Plus it's easy to create new ones when desired.

I don't see fibers in the guile manual, just heavy weight threads. Is that a third party library? (The lack of a package manager to easily install such things is an issue with most Schemes; only chicken and chibi have anything like Racket's)

	▲	bjoli 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		I wrote this, which I find more usable than racket's loops: https://rikspucko.koketteriet.se/bjoli/goof-loop It does not use mutation, and should produce just as efficient code as the racket loops. It is also extensible (and easily portable to racket!). It is written almost exclusively in syntax-rules. Guile fibers can be found here: https://codeberg.org/fibers/fibers