Is it better than M4?

If a laptop will need to be plugged in to deliver full performance, whilst blasting fans at full throttle, what is the point? (apart from server / workstation use, where you don't like MacOS or need different OS)

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crest 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Depends on your usecase. For a thin 14" laptop an M4 is probably the closer sweet spot, but for CPU heavy workloads Apple doesn't offer anything comparable to Threadripper or EPYC (lots of fast cores, enough memory and I/O bandwidth).

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menaerus 4 days ago | parent [-]

Actually Apple M design can hit ~100GB/s of MBW with a single core. Something that many other (or basically none?) CPUs of the same range couldn't.

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mmis1000 3 days ago | parent [-]

Maybe wait for the next release of amd mobile cpu? I heard that they throw 384 bit bus on i-gpu. While the main purpose is for faster vram access. It surely will also benefit memory bound cpu tasks.

	▲	menaerus 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Server CPUs are hitting those numbers already for many years, including the AMD. The thing here is that Apple optimized their core for a different workload than the rest. I don't think there's a secret sauce AMD isn't aware of given their other line of CPUs - they know how to achieve it. In multi-threaded scenarios, for example, M chips are not better at all and AFAICR are worse than the Threadripper. So, a different trade-off really

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makeitdouble 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nowadays laptops are majorly used as desktop hybrids.

Getting near desktop performance when plugged but portability and lower consumption when unplugged is a pretty good tradeoff.

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varispeed 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Friend of mine has laptop with Intel Ultra 9 185h. It is always plugged because when you don't plugin in, it is crawling (like even struggles to open Word). Fans are always spinning and it is loud.

For doing any kind of work that requires focus it is an absolute nightmare.

But she need a laptop to occasionally take it to Uni.

	▲	sliken 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Sounds like my macbook 16" with the Intel i9. Just about anything, full screen video call, backups, patching, etc it sounds like a hair dryer. I'm not surprised there's various docks, stands, etc that include supplemental cooling. I'm jealous of the m series macbooks, fast, quiet, and cool on wall or battery.
	▲	makeitdouble 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Intel Ultra 9 185h The CPU in itself should be pretty good by modern standards: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+Ultra+9+... > (like even struggles to open Word). Her issue is not the form factor. Is it the RAM ? did she activate all the marketing apps ? Is a bitcoin farmer running in the background ? I don't know, but it's worth looking into it. For comparison, I have at hand a Surface Pro 8 that should be 3x slower than hers on sheer CPU benchmarks, and I can throw any run of mill task at it (do the taxes with 3~4 word documents, Excel, dozens of tabs in firefox and a call session in the background) and it's fine. It will burn trough battery life within an two or three hours under that load, and yes the fans will be running, but I have no issue of having it crawl when unplugged.

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hulitu 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Nowadays laptops are majorly used as desktop hybrids.

And they suck big time. And, to add insult to injury, there are also desktops which use laptop CPUs, with the same (lack of) performance.

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ksec 4 days ago | parent [-]

>And they suck big time.

What sort of work load that sucks big time? Assuming the work load is even laptop focused in the first place.

	▲	varispeed 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Opening Word, more than a few tabs in the browser, that kind of heavy load.

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heraldgeezer 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Windows laptops?

Desktops for gaming? AMD makes the best gaming CPUs with the X3D series.

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KetoManx64 4 days ago | parent [-]

What about actually doing something useful to bring prosuctive?

	▲	bitmasher9 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If I’m being productive I’d rather have an AMD chip than M4 so I can run Linux comfortably.
	▲	adgjlsfhk1 4 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Zen5 is a beat for compilation workloads
	▲	heraldgeezer 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		AMD wins over Intel here too. Most of the workforce use Windows. You can also use Linux if you want on Intel&AMD. M CPUs are great but constrained by Apple.

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PixyMisa 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Price.