It's really hard not to become impolite with this kind of disrespectful comment, but I try. Let me articulate my thinking... The suggestion is not based on nothing; it's based on years of banging our heads against the wall with various governmental and non-governmental systems that we need to communicate with, in the context of our firm wanting to talk to government servers to, for instance, get money for providing health care, or communicate with a GP.

We already have a need to authenticate and communicate. In the same way we have passports and driving licenses, these kinds of basic utility services seem to be worth it.

I'm just advocating for the same thing, for the basic functionality, digitally, before we start dreaming of other kinds of solutions.

I'm really not happy with the solution that has emerged in Norway, where one private entity is basically the de facto identity provider for everything (BankID). Then there's a mishmash of all other providers with various levels of motives, usability, restrictions, technology, and cost.

The same way we found out national identity cards can be useful, to ensure we have proper basic communication and identification within our country when using that country's services and portals.

This is my logic: We already have to communicate and authenticate, no way around it. And our government is already mandating login and communication digitally. So, a service like I described would not affect the concern you seem to have, since we have already handed over the key, so to speak. But it would alleviate a lot of unnecessary and, frankly, security-reducing complexity.

I would assume you are extremely skeptical of anything governmental and centralized. Maybe you live in a country with more problems, so that your fear is more realistic. But here in Norway, we seem to have found a stable balance of powers and a stable relationship between the people and our government. So maybe your situation you live in makes the "tyranny" claim more palpable.

Sadly, this, to me, just reinforces my experience I have every time I run into libertarian values. There seems to be much more focus on angrily denouncing others' ideas and not contributing to any realistic or practical solution. And it's too bad you have to resort to absolutes, unnuanced ad hominem attack. I think a measured response would have been something like (my caricature of how I would have said it): "I see you want to improve inefficiencies, but I fear that you don't properly account for the dangers of abuse from the government." Instead, you come out swinging when all I suggest is that we just do what we are already doing, but better.

If you think I'm impolite then you haven't realized how impolite and insulting you can be while seeming polite.

Let me say this. There may be a misunderstanding and you simply may want easy standards and auth for a specific gov service validation. Like what the UK gov does for tax and the like. Or Ireland. YouGov OpenId kind of access.

The way you were talking about centralization implies, at least to me, some sort of digital id for internet usage which is absolutely terrible and being extremely pushed by lobbyists and governments who love surveillance. If you think this is a conspiracy theory I don't care. It's all a conspiracy theory when it goes against powerful money.

As for calling me naive or libertarian or any of that crap. Ok. Then you're an authoritarian. You're a danger to me and others and you'll claim you do it for my sake or claim that I myself are dangerous for protection "my freedumbs"

> But here in Norway, we seem to have found a stable balance of powers and a stable relationship between the people and our government. So maybe your situation you live in makes the "tyranny" claim more palpable.

Hahahahahahahaha. Yeah right. I know and have lived in Norway. I know the kind of "don't rock the boat" mentality. Everything works right? Because there's money and media won't address the Barnevernet or military abuses nor anything that actually goes wrong.

People who talk in favour of authoritarian tenets and dismiss criticism as "libertarians who come from <bad countries unlike mine>" are super funny.

"I'm angry and not offering a solution", right?. That's just bullshit. You can use that to justify any government measure. The war on drugs, terrorism, etc.

Sweden already shows how surveillance can get insanely intense and nordics communitarian pushdown to prevent criticism of power is extremely effective. Not that you still don't consider yourself superior to others like you clearly express every time you think the world isn't looking. "Er typisk norsk å være god" eh? (Or however that phrase went).

Get offended. We've been through too much shit for me to care about your Overton window.