But even the most well optimized nextjs/react 'blog' or ecom site performs and order of magnitude worse than a SSR version, simply because you have to bring in runtime stuff? I'm giving extreme examples; but I've seen very very able development teams totally shoot themselves in the foot with this.

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robertoandred 4 days ago | parent [-]

Next/React sites can be SSRd just fine. If a db call is slow it's going to be just as slow for a PHP page as for a React page.

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martinald 3 days ago | parent [-]

But even if you SSR them you still need to send at least 100KB (and probably far more) of JS down to the browser to hydrate state and handle any interactivity.

	▲	robertoandred a day ago \| parent [-]
		You need JS to handle interactivity no matter what. And 100KB is nothing, a single image is larger.