And the Russians. For some reasons everyone seems to forget that the invasion of Poland (and other East European countries) was a joint operation by Germany and Russia (not to diminish any atrocities etc. perpetuated by Germans).

Especially in this case, because the city was also called Danzig before and (after various owners over the centuries, mostly Polish [0]) was co-owned-German (free city, German leaning because of ethnicity) at the time of WW2. Destruction should then have been (haven't verified that) by the Red Army (again not to diminish any German war crimes - also [1]).

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte

▲ rpastuszak 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Ha, my high school was named after a related event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_the_Polish_Post_Off...)

Also known for a song about three boys, the youngest of whom—who, to put it mildly, didn’t have his life together—made a choice. (This is heavy dad-humour though.)

    Trzech synów matka miała,
    Dwóch słynęło z mądrości,
    A trzeci, co był głupi,
    Poszedł do łączności!

That said, it's a paraphrase of an older song about WWI.

(the school was fine, and my dorm was a constant nerd-fest, so I am not complaining)

▲ cenamus 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of course. But I'm the Russians did not make sure to level any building over three stories in basically any Polish city during their retreat

▲ geokon 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

i think its because the germans deliberately destroyed cities, like Warsaw (not sure if it was done as systemstically in other cities). they literally dynamited the old city and levelled it to the ground

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabst_Plan

Krakow was famously deliberately spared on Hitler's orders

i dont think the soviets did the equivalent. And they poured a lot of resources in to restoring the old town in warsaw after the war

Id love to be corrected if im wrong

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bragh 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Trying to paint Russians as the good guys, in 2025?

> The most extensive and destructive of the Soviet air assaults was carried out on 9–10 March 1944 in connection with the Battle of Narva. A week before, the mayor of Tallinn had given an order to the city dwellers to leave the town, but the evacuation failed, as the extent of the attack was beyond the expectations of the local people and the German Army Group North. The first attack, from 6:30 – 9:00 pm, saw 300 aircraft drop 3068 bombs, 1725 explosive and 1300 incendiary.[4][5][3] Bombers hit the capital again at 2 a.m. for an additional hour and a half.[3] The fire brigades were scarce on water, as Soviet saboteurs had blown up the city pumping station before the air raid. A large part of the wooden suburbs went up in flames, and the city centre suffered major damage. In all, about twenty percent of the buildings in Tallinn were burnt to the ground.[3]

> Military damage was minor, with a few military installations and supply stores destroyed. The major military loss was the burning of a million litres of fuel in the fuel depot. Of the enterprises with some military importance, the "Luther" plywood factory and the Urania-Werke-run cable factory were destroyed. Most of the bombs fell on the dwellings and public buildings, including the Estonia Theatre, St. Nicholas Church, the city synagogue, four cinemas, and the Tallinn City Archives.[6]

> According to the official report, 757 people were killed, of whom 586 were civilians, 50 were military personnel, and 121 were prisoners-of-war. 213 had serious injuries, 446 had minor injuries. Amongst the injured were 65 military servicemen and 75 prisoners-of-war. Later, more victims were found, with the number of deaths estimated at up to 800.[5] More than 20,000 people were left without a shelter in the spring thaw, while the military objects were almost untouched.[4][7] Immediately after the bombing raid Finnish air force bombers followed returning Soviet bombers to three military airbases near Leningrad and bombed them.[8] During the attack, fuel tanks were destroyed and ca 25 Soviet airplanes were shot down in Tallinn with an additional ten destroyed by the Finnish Air Force (Ilmavoimat) later the same night.[3] Finland's actions prevented a third attack wave, likely saving Tallinn’s old city from complete destruction.[9]

	▲	atlasunshrugged 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Shameless plug for Tallinn but as I used to live there I have to also mention that despite the Soviets efforts the old town is well-preserved, lovely, and definitely worth a visit! I put together a visitors guide after a monthlong visit this May in case its useful: https://www.rebootinganation.com/exploring-tallinn

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pirate787 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Both Russia and Germany engaged in scorched earth destruction when on the retreat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbCGhqhKK-8

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KingOfCoders 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So you agree it was a joint military operation and everyone forgets that, but want to add the Germans were worse, which made everyone forget it was a joint operation?