Rolling eyes

Another person mixing up web apps with web sites.

We do need frameworks for web apps. Yes people were wrongly making websites using frameworks.

But I am busy building web apps and without frameworks it is not feasible to build one.

Exactly. I remember the times when webmail clients were SSR applications. Roundcube and Gmail were game changers. Webmail finally felt smooth and usable.

Web shops are somewhere in the middle, they need a little bit of interactivity for the cart, especially if the user opens multiple tabs.

But static websites should never be SPAs.

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austin-cheney 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You really don’t need the frameworks for web apps either.

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andix 4 days ago | parent [-]

I guess you never worked on a complicated web app that was 100% jQuery, because web frameworks were not a thing yet.

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austin-cheney 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I was a JavaScript developer for about 15 years and I moved onto something else because most of the people doing the work can't program. Not at all. I got tired of being held hostage by people who couldn't function without more help than they needed.

I also get tired of the arguments from ignorance. The you don't know how hard life is type of bullshit arguments. I do know because I have done this work, probably much longer than you, and its not as challenging as you are claiming.

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cweagans 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What if I told you that you didn't need jQuery either.

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andix 4 days ago | parent [-]

Using the DOM APIs directly? Please do that. Have fun!

	▲	austin-cheney 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I do it and its just not significant. You should try it before evoking a holy war against it.
	▲	cweagans 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		What if I told you that you didn’t even really need javascript for most things - even more involved web apps. HTML and CSS is plenty for many things.

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zahlman 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did, around 15 years ago. It was honestly not that bad.

	▲	ozim 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		How many people did you have on your team? What was employee turn over on the project? How long was the development?

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ozim 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Second that.

Add to it dev churn each 6 months one dev leaves an new joins full of fresh new ideas how to jquery. In the meantime also 2 freelancers adding their stuff.