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fn-mote a day ago

The idea that deer need to be protected is hilarious. All around the Midwest (USA) you can see obvious signs of deer overpopulation. Every doe gives birth to twins. The understory in the forest is bare.

This guy is selling 60 deer decoys a year? The DNR is just playing a power game.

If the focus of the article were about poaching an animal that isn’t as common as mice, I would be more sympathetic.

Instead it seems like the focus is on the easiest poaching to catch (because of the massive numbers of infractions), not the greatest impact.

whartung a day ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know, I'm not there, not my world.

But I would think the goal is to reduce the number of poachers. Poaching being a mind set, a criminal behavior, regardless of that actual animal they're harvesting. If someone is willing to poach deer, perhaps it's a gateway to poaching something more vulnerable. Learning how to avoid the game wardens, building an "underground" community.

Similarly, if the deer are that plentiful (and they no doubt are, there are all sorts of stories about deer populations expanding), then it would seem good policy to encourage hunting. Lower the fees, increase the bag limit, do some outreach with safety training, etc. "No out of state fees to come hunt in Minnesota!" The goal to get poachers out of the fold and into legal hunting.

And, of course, there's "dual use" concepts, as deer can be considered pests in some scenarios (which fall under different guidelines than game animals). That can always blur the lines. So, maybe not everyone running around at night with thermal imagers is, actually, a poacher. Perhaps they're doing pest control. But that's someone who shouldn't mind encounters with game enforcement.

potato3732842 a day ago | parent | next [-]

>But I would think the goal is to reduce the number of poachers. Poaching being a mind set, a criminal behavior, regardless of that actual animal they're harvesting. If someone is willing to poach deer, perhaps it's a gateway to poaching something more vulnerable. Learning how to avoid the game wardens, building an "underground" community.

This is the exact same argument that caused a lot of teenagers to get locked up over a plant in the 90s.

I am less than un-moved by it.

If people want to blast a doe out of season off their porch with no tags I have no problem with it so long as they are doing so in places where the population can support that behavior.

SOLAR_FIELDS 4 hours ago | parent [-]

There are so many of these damn deer in the Texas hill country due to people overfeeding them on their lawns. My parents live out there and it's not abnormal to see literally dozens of them on people's lawns. I'd be happy to see them come down here and cull a bit.

bklyn11201 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This is very sensible. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any states incentivizing demand. I suppose you could argue that license fees have not gone up at the CPI rate, so this is a discount of sorts. There are small attempts at encouraging kids to signup, but it's surprising how little dynamic control (doe tags, lotteries, etc) there is especially as most states have made the license process fully electronic.

squidgyhead a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am not familiar with poaching issues in the USA, but in Canada, one isn't allowed to hunt too close to roads; doing otherwise is poaching. It seems reasonable to not discharge firearms next to public roads, so stopping poachers who do so is a great use case here.

rolph a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

usually these kind of stings are not about poaching in the classic sense, its about basic safety, like not shooting; on; along; or across a road, so they set it up somewhere in that zone considered "along" the road, and wait for someone to start setting up for a shot.

yostrovs a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Echoing my own comment below, it's important, given the pointlesness of fighting poaching while deer are everywhere, to note that in the US, agencies like DNR (some states have different names for them) have extraordinary police powers that allow them to enter property if they suspect a violation. In similar situations, police officers would be required to get a warrant from a judge, but the DNR can just go in. So, often they use the pretense of poaching to go see what someone is up to on their own land. They even have the right to install hidden cameras on private property without telling the landowner to try to detect violations.