> Okay, apparently the stddata addition is causing havoc (who knew how many scripts just haphazardly hand programs random file descriptors, that's surely not a problem.)

I knew, and I've known since reading the "C shell considered harmful" paper, which offhandedly mentioned that sh-based shells can use an arbitrary number of file descriptors (maybe they have to be one-digit integers though). csh can't, of course.

It's discussed in the first section here

https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh

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theamk a day ago | parent [-]

this brings memories - university, first Unix exposure, Sun Ray terminals, "tcsh" as default shell, and me doing "find / -name ..." a lot.

I always wanted to ignore all errors form this (there was a lot of "permission denied"), but tcsh just didn't have a simple ability to do so. This taught me a valuable lesson about some software just being better than other. And to this day, I keep wondering you would people choose to use csh/tcsh voluntarily.

	▲	layer8 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Tcsh originally was more user-friendly for interactive use. The rest is inertia.