The truth is, both deniers and believers are operating on belief. Only those who actually went to the Moon know firsthand. The rest of us trust information we've received — filtered through media, education, or bias. That makes us no fundamentally different from deniers; we just think our belief is more justified.

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esafak a day ago | parent | next [-]

Some beliefs are more supported by evidence than others. To ignore this is to make the concept of belief practically useless.

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hshshshshsh a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah. My point is you have not seen any of the evidence. You just have belief that evidence exists. Which is a belief and not evidence.

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esafak a day ago | parent [-]

Yes, we have seen evidence: videos, pictures and other artifacts of the landing.

I think you don't know what evidence means. You want proof and that's for mathematics.

You don't know that you exist. You could be a simulation.

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		But isn't that the same kind of evidence that the deniers also seen? They also saw some images and videos and decided to conclude the other way around. The fact that I know I exist is the only thing I know for sure. Whether I am simulation or a soul or whatever word you want to call it is irrelevant.
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fc417fc802 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Just to carry this line of reasoning out to the extreme for entertainment purposes (and to illustrate for everyone how misguided it is). Even if you perform a task firsthand, at the end of the day you're just trusting your memory of having done so. You feel that your trust in your memory is justified but fundamentally that isn't any different from the deniers either.

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hshshshshsh 2 days ago | parent [-]

This is actually true. Plenty of accidents has happened because of this.

I am not saying trusting your memory is always false or true. Most of the times it might be true. It's a heuristic.

But if someone comes and deny what you did, the best course of action would be to consider the evidence they have and not assume they are stupid because they believe differently.

Let's be honest, you have not personally went and verified the rocks belongs to Moon. Nor were you tracking the telemetry data in your computer when the rocket was going to Moon.

I also believe we went to Moon.

But all I have is beliefs.

Everyone believed Early was flat 1000s years back as well. They had solid evidence.

But the humility is accepting you don't know and you are believing and not pretend you are above others who believe exact opposite..

	▲	fc417fc802 a day ago \| parent [-]
		It's a misguided line of reasoning because the "belief" thing is a red herring. Nearly everything comes down to belief at a low level. The differences lie in the justifications. As you say, you should have the humility to consider the evidence that others provide that you might be wrong. The thing with the various popular conspiracy theories is that the evidence is conspicuously missing when any competent good faith actor would be presenting it front and center.