> Just curious, but who is muddying waters, and how ?

In the context of this whole rabbit hole, pretty much all of the parties.

When you bring someone's dirt put in the public, not to support an argument but just to attack them because you don't like them, uou are muddying the waters.

MegaLag did it for Linus

Steve did for Linus

Luis did for Linus

Linus did for Steve

Linus did for Luis

Henry did for Daniel

Luis did for Daniel

And of course Daniel pretty much does for anyone :p

These were not conversations based on logic, each had a reason to dislike the other and dag up dirt for clicks and for leverage.

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bernoufakis 2 days ago | parent [-]

> When you bring someone's dirt put in the public, not to support an argument but just to attack them because you don't like them, uou are muddying the waters.

To take the specific case of Rossmann, how is he muddying the water ? If anything, he is clarifying his position on stopping using GOS. It is important context, not "muddying the waters".

You yourself say that: > And of course Daniel pretty much does for anyone :p

And Rossmann brought up the receipt to corroborate the GOS developer hostile behavior toward him, which was his argument. And even if you take it further back to origin, the "Informative but unfortunate" comment, this was not targeting GOS's quality and claim of security. The argument in that specific case was the questionable behavior of the leadership, which you seem to agree was not a "conversation based on logic". If some people can't be reasoned with, what is Rossmann supposed to do ? He "agreed to disagreed" and cut contact with the dev, kept the GOS situation under the lid as it was still a project he liked, but that was apparently not enough to keep that developer at bay ...

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gtsop 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> If some people can't be reasoned with, what is Rossmann supposed to do ?

Just stop interacting? When you have an argument with your colleague, do you go on twitter and post all your conversations and tell everyone how irrational he is? When you argue with a relative do you make an 1hour long video detailing how they missbehaved? Why did Luis felt the need to make content on his popular channel to expose someone with problematic behavior?

Clicks. Money.

And on top of that he is attacking his work which is actually very valuable.

I don't care if Luis is on the right side of the argument. If he was chatting me up on the bus and told me about it, i would be glad to know. Attacking a person on public for money and leverage is bs.

Edit: Especially in the case of Daniel, if you have made the conclusion that a person is trully paranoid, this is a clinical situation, do you expect to "fix" them by exposing them? Or are you throwing more gas to the fire?

	▲	bernoufakis 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> > If some people can't be reasoned with, what is Rossmann supposed to do ? Just stop interacting? When you have an argument with your colleague, do you go on twitter and post all your conversations and tell everyone how irrational he is? When you argue with a relative do you make an 1hour long video detailing how they missbehaved? Why did Luis felt the need to make content on his popular channel to expose someone with problematic behavior? Rossmann did exactly in September 2022. If you actually bothered going through the document, would could see that they had an initial interaction that did not pan out. Rossmann wished Daniel best of luck and said he would not be further involved because of the disagreement. On his social media and other platforms, Daniel did not stop talking about how Rossmann was allegedly attacking (without any concrete evidence). Daniel himself contact Rossmann again out of the blue with borderline threats blackmail umprompted, as can be seen in Rossmann's video on "Why I deleted Graphene OS". Asking nicely did not work, and Daniel threatened to "publicly expose him", so he went public. What was he supposed to do ? > Clicks. Money. Rossmann channel is not making him money. It is not monetized. His business is about repairing Macbooks and data recovery. This drama does not generate him money. He does not get paid for people using CalyxOS etc... over Graphene OS. There is simply no incentive > And on top of that he is attacking his work which is actually very valuable. What "attack" ? Is a comment "Informative but unfortunate" on a video criticizing Daniel's behavior an attack ? Is giving the project a 40K USD grant no string attached an "attack" ? Is proposing an to do interviews to further promote the project an "attack" ? Is making videos to actually dispel misconceptions about GOS and praising how good it is on his channel and "attack" ? None of you who carry water for Daniel and his toxic behavior have any evidence of Rossmann directing attack at GOS, and even loss so Daniel himself. > I don't care if Luis is on the right side of the argument. If he was chatting me up on the bus and told me about it, i would be glad to know. Attacking a person on public for money and leverage is bs. Again, no evidence it is about money and leverage. > Edit: Especially in the case of Daniel, if you have made the conclusion that a person is trully paranoid, this is a clinical situation, do you expect to "fix" them by exposing them? Or are you throwing more gas to the fire? Keeping it private the first few time did not seem to work, might as well try. If Daniel himself is beyond help, at least make it so other people know what kind of person they are entrusting they phone security and privacy to. By the way, I managed to find their archived conversation which are not available anymore in the video description. Curious about your opinion on it: <https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/d75ff782-4a7d-4497-b04e-edd1...>