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snozolli a day ago

Even natural bodybuilders go through cut and bulk cycles.

Yeah, the ones who are actually prepping for competition. They sacrifice some of their gains to get as lean as possibly solely for the purpose of showing in a competition. Anyone else engaging in "bulking" and "cutting" is just wasting their time.

You have to be in a surplus to add muscle mass if you're no longer a novice lifter or significantly overweight.

This is why you eat a slight caloric surplus while hitting your macro goals.

Internet dweebs started usurping the terminology. Honestly, it's justification for undisciplined eating. It's just "dieting" with pseudo-technical justification. The ultimate form of self-delusion are the guys who "perma-bulk", like Cartman.

cthalupa a day ago | parent [-]

> Anyone else engaging in "bulking" and "cutting" is just wasting their time.

Why?

> This is why you eat a slight caloric surplus while hitting your macro goals.

As an unenhanced lifter you've not got the significant nutrient partitioning boosts that HGH/AAS/(and for some) insulin give you. If you want to maximize gains you're going to be in a big enough surplus that you're just not going to get basically exclusively muscle gains for every bit of weight you add. Eventually you're going to need to diet, even with a fairly small surplus. And what is a phased approach to eating in a surplus to gain muscle and eating in a deficit to lose fat but bulking and cutting?

I would agree that perma-bulking isn't a particularly good idea, and trying to bulk and cut with the same sort of caloric surpluses and deficits someone on gear is counter-productive for a natural lifter, but I don't see why or how you come to the conclusion that unenhanced lifters using the bulk/cut terms are dweebs or wrong in using the terminology. HN is the only place I've ever seen anyone claim that the only people who should be using bulk/cut phrasing are enhanced lifters.