| ▲ | zxcvbn4038 2 days ago |
| I recently bought a SIG P320, and a week later, I started reading articles about it self discharging. =P It’s not like it happens all the time, but it seems that if the safety lever spring’s thickness is off by a thousandth of an inch, and the height of the post it fits on is also off by a thousandth of an inch, and you drop the pistol at just the right angle with enough force, the FBI reportedly got it to discharge once during testing—though officially, the results are inconclusive. Now, some law enforcement agencies are quietly replacing the P320 with the Glock 19. Personally, I’m keeping mine because it’s a great gun, and I love that 21-round magazine. However, I sent in my warranty card in case there’s a recall or something similar. |
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| ▲ | GiorgioG 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Odds are, you'll never experience the self-discharging issue. Having said that, I don't find a mostly-reliable firearm acceptable from a safety perspective. If I don't pull the trigger, it cannot go bang, ever, for any reason. |
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| ▲ | 303uru 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m not taking odds on an edc item which takes a lot of banging around. Glock 18 is a simple choice. | | |
| ▲ | Alupis 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm still very curious why the P320 beat out the venerable Glock 17 & 19 combo in the Army's recent selection. It would seem being able to change from duty to compact is more of a gimmick than practical. I'd wager most P320's will spend their service life in exactly one configuration. Sig does have a way of making every pistol feel like it was custom molded to your hand - but Glocks "Just Work". | | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | "I just want them to make one with a damn thumb safety and if this competition won't make them do it, nothing will." - some US Army ordinance guy about Glock, probably. | | |
| ▲ | giardini 2 days ago | parent [-] | | COLT 1911 45 ACP condition 1. | | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Charged and locked, hard to screw that up. | | |
| ▲ | Alupis 2 days ago | parent [-] | | "Cocked & Locked" is usually how people refer to this - and it is easy to screw up. Under stress, people's fine motor skills vanish, sometimes resulting in the safety not being disengaged as you draw from the holster. Additionally, it can be accidentally flipped off during handling. Modern firearms have multiple internal safeties to prevent accidental discharges (unless you're Sig apparently). | | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It depends. If for some reason you're open carrying in a holster (like perhaps a police officer or soldier would be), and someone tries to get your weapon off of you and succeeds, a manual safety could save your life. They probably won't realize that the safety is on, and when they point the weapon at you and pull the trigger, nothing will happen, giving you a chance to escape or fight back. Without that manual safety, the weapon just goes off and you now have an aftermarket hole installed in your body. There's less of an argument manual safties in concealed carry, though. The opponent shouldn't know you have the weapon until it's drawn, so there's less chance of them getting it out of a holster. | |
| ▲ | remarkEon a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | This comment should just be pinned to the top for folks curious about why manual safeties are undesirable. |
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| ▲ | gosub100 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Here is an entire video talking about it, by an attorney who works in the firearms industry: https://youtu.be/7NXDuKQF9kU?si=uRXnYvhMMKIN8BKa | | |
| ▲ | deelowe 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I'd take this with a grain of salt. I generally like James' content, but he has always been a huge Sig supporter and throughout the p320 debacle, he's been more supportive of Sig than I think he should be. |
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| ▲ | zokier 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wasn't Sigs offer significantly cheaper than Glock? |
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| ▲ | hxtk 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Off by one errors strike again, unless you EDC a machine pistol? | |
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| ▲ | mgarfias 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | A Glock 18, huh? I’d fucking love to edc a Glock 18. |
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| ▲ | spacephysics 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Their report outlined here and the police officer’s account of the unintentional discharge occurred without dropping and while securely in the holster without any items intruding in the holster (i say that because it was a prior excuse Sig made for the unintentional discharge reports) https://youtu.be/LfnhTYeVHHE |
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| ▲ | lambdasquirrel 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A thousandth of an inch would do it? They couldn't give more margin-of-safety to a critical part like that? A thousand of an inch isn't such a theoretical number. It's about 25 microns, and I've shimmed one of my back-focusing photography lenses for less than that much (about 10 microns, to be specific). This is something that they ought to be able to machine for, but depending on the context, it might not leave much room for error. |
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| ▲ | gottorf 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > A thousandth of an inch would do it? They couldn't give more margin-of-safety to a critical part like that? If it's true, that's truly terrible design. | | |
| ▲ | privatelypublic 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Its likely a misunderstanding and/or mischaracterization of "tolerance stacking." A safe example is bike chain. If each one is 1 inch +- 0.01", if every single one is +0.01" then ten links will be long by a tenth of an inch. And might pass QC on the bike when pedaled by hand- but it'll fall off when somebodies full bodyweight and 100hrs of wear is out into it. | | |
| ▲ | whyever 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That's not how errors add up, it's nonlinear. You have to take the sum of squares. So in your case, it wouldn't be 10 * 0.01 = 0.1, but sqrt(10 * 0.01^2) = 0.032, which is less than one third of a tenth. | | |
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| ▲ | halyconWays 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| At least one of those critical components (P/N 1300739-R) is manufactured in India. Is that a contributing factor? |
