| ▲ | chasd00 2 days ago |
| I don’t conceal carry but it’s commonly known that you don’t draw your weapon unless you’re shooting to kill. In those situations, if there was time to chamber a round then there was time to escape. If you draw your weapon as a warning or, worse, fire warning shots you’ll be arrested for brandishing at least. |
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| ▲ | sugarplant 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| >In those situations, if there was time to chamber a round then there was time to escape. 500ms, just enough time to open up console and type noclip to escape |
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| ▲ | not_a_bot_4sho 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > if there was time to chamber a round then there was time to escape This is only true for Usain Bolt. Chambering on draw adds 0.5s or so. For me, that's acceptable for any scenario outside of a pistols at dawn duel in front of an old west saloon. |
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| ▲ | giraffe_lady 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > pistols at dawn duel in front of an old west saloon Probably not much less likely than a lot of the scenarios people are fantasizing about in here. | |
| ▲ | chasd00 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | well, again, let me preface this with I don't conceal carry nor do I feel in my day to day life unsafe to the point I want to conceal carry. However, I got interested in IDPA, as a hobby, which is a shooting competition that does time trials through a practical scenario. For example, move to a station, fire at 4 targets from behind cover, move to another station, reload, move to another station and fire at 3 targets. Your score is determined by speed through the scenarios and the accuracy of your shots. i'm no stranger at all to shooting firearms having spent a large portion of my childhood hunting and years of going to the range. During my intro to IDPA class I was shocked at how hard it is to keep everything straight in your head and operate a handgun safely and effectively under the very minor stress of a time trial and a group of people watching. Now, in my 49 years i've been in only one situation where i was attacked, beat up, robbed and would have been justified to use lethal force in my defense. Had i been armed I would not have had it together enough in the amount of time i had to chamber a round, aim, and fire. Unless your brain is trained to respond there just isn't time to think through anything, it's like your mental capacity just grinds to a halt in those moments. If you have it together enough to chamber a round, aim, and fire you have it together enough to use run-fu and escape the situation. finally, once again, i don't conceal carry and thank my lucky stars my job doesn't involve making decisions like draw and fire or don't. Maybe someone with more training and experience will weigh in in this conversation, i'm just giving my two cents. |
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| ▲ | impossiblefork 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This dichotomy is obviously false though. If an attacker doesn't have a firearm you probably have time to chamber a round, if the attacker misses a shot at you you have time to chamber a round, if you have time to take cover you may have time to chamber a round and then be in an approximately 50-50 situation, etc. |
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| ▲ | TheFreim 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This might be the impression one gets from watching movies or television shows, but its not reality. Anyone who has either trained with a handgun, or even just viewed videos of real-world confrontations will know that this isn't the case. In many encounters you have almost no time. Racking the slide and acquiring the target adds a massive amount of time (its even worse when you are under pressure). Most defensive uses of a firearms occur at a short distance, less than five yards. It takes very little time to cover the distance. For those who are interested, here is a video covering what it looks like when someone with a knife runs straight at someone at 21 feet, you will see why the idea that people have time to rack the slide is absurd (https://youtu.be/_2zfw_4DYdQ?t=79). | | |
| ▲ | impossiblefork 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Six metres is half a tennis court. That's a distance that I can easily run to get in position to hit a volley. Of course you can run that distance and stab someone as he takes his gun out, and if you are to counter that you must move too. If you're rooted as a tree, of course you'll be killed. You must make use of your own movement to create time, just as Nadal does when he step diagonally back from the ball 'sal y entra'. | |
| ▲ | sugarplant 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | people have such insane opinions on this despite the knowledge out there. there are so many videos of self defense shootings out there now, including videos with analysis etc. people posting talking about combat rolling and chambering after their assailant misses a shot. what the fuck lmao | | |
| ▲ | TheFreim 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > people posting talking about combat rolling and chambering after their assailant misses a shot. what the fuck lmao I generally try to show them a little bit of grace. For many people their sole exposure to firearms is through video games, movies, and television shows. They have a strong "knowledge" of how things work and genuinely have no idea that their ideas are at odds with reality. Its similar to how non-tech people think "hacking" works. |
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| ▲ | klaussilveira 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > if the attacker misses a shot at you you have time to chamber a round Is that based on recorded personal times, or are you just assuming? Because I can shoot the mozambique in 1.9 seconds. Chambering a round is much slower than that. | | |
| ▲ | impossiblefork 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I mean that you must take cover upon him missing, and then somehow reposition yourself and fight. |
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