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bko 2 days ago

> "So if we burn more of our energy every day on physical activity, on exercise, after a while our bodies will adjust and spend less energy on the other tasks that we sort of don't notice going on in the background," Pontzer says.

I also think this is true related to food. Your body adjusts its metabolism based on the amount of food you eat as long as it's not chronic. That's why you can have competitive eaters that can eat a weeks worth of food and not be overweight. Spikiness and variability are probably good for you. Its funny that the Bryan Johnson types who closely control every calorie in their body have such a bad reaction to any variability. I don't know if its him, but I heard someone not be able to sleep and their levels got all messed up from one sweet. And their conclusion was sweets are so bad for you, rather than you're building your body to be too fragile to shocks.

The interesting thing is when this breaks down. Obviously if you eat a weeks worth of food every day for a sustained period of time, you will start to gain weight. Or if you run 12 miles every day, you will be in such a deficit that it won't be possible to lower your metabolism enough. Outside of the extremes, I think it's a cliff, where you have to have some kind of shock for some period of time for your body to react.

BJones12 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> That's why you can have competitive eaters that can eat a weeks worth of food and not be overweight.

Nope, they do gain weight, or avoid gaining weight by counting calories [0]

[0] https://youtu.be/SVS0ioOdfuE?t=225

goda90 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's exactly the point the grandparent comment was making though. Because they aren't chronically eating at competition levels is the reason they aren't overweight. They have a high calorie moment, followed by low calorie stretches.

baseballdork 2 days ago | parent [-]

That wasn't my takeaway from that comment.

> Your body adjusts its metabolism based on the amount of food you eat as long as it's not chronic.

Suggests that your metabolism is changing, as though your body becomes more or less efficient at burning calories because you're eating more or less. Instead, these guys eat a huge surplus of calories and then go into a deficit to get back to their standard weight.

bko 2 days ago | parent [-]

Sure he cuts back his calories, but 70 hotdogs is about 21k calories. I don't think he goes into a 21k calorie deficit over the next few weeks. That's an insane deficit. That would be the equivalent of not eating for 8.5 days, which is not possible since it would mess with his training. He probably cuts it back some fraction of that, say 10k and his body's increased metabolism adjusts for the rest.

EvanAnderson 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It would be interesting to know what amount of the calories from the 70 hot dogs is actually absorbed, versus how much is excreted without being absorbed.

aeonik 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your body is not converting all 21k calories to fat in an event like that. There are many physiological limits to caloric conversion to fat.

I'm not exactly sure what their bodies are doing, but I guarantee you my body would get rid of that food extremely quickly before it was fully digested.

BJones12 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A 21K deficit over 3 weeks would be 1000 Cal/day of deficit. For comparison, this is the amount of deficit required to lose 2 pounds per week, which many people do.

johtso 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't there a limit to how many calories your body can store in a certain period of time? After a certain point wont there be a lot of waste?

baseballdork 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Doesn't that beg the question of why anyone gets fat if your metabolism can just... increase to cover some arbitrary amount of calories?

BobaFloutist 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's because our bodies want to get fat, because storing calories is evolutionarily advantageous (or at least was).

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nordsieck 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The interesting thing is when this breaks down. Obviously if you eat a weeks worth of food every day for a sustained period of time, you will start to gain weight. Or if you run 12 miles every day, you will be in such a deficit that it won't be possible to lower your metabolism enough. Outside of the extremes, I think it's a cliff, where you have to have some kind of shock for some period of time for your body to react.

Objectively, I don't think this is accurate.

Most people who are overweight got that way slowly.

Dr Mike[1]'s theory is that modern processed food is to blame - not because it's unhealthy, but because it's too tasty. Companies that make food are in an evolutionary arms race with other companies to get consumers to choose their products. And one of the best ways to do that is to make the food as tasty as possible.

Another things many companies probably try to optimize their food for is low satiety[2]. That way consumers consume, and therefore buy, more of their products.

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1. From Renaissance Periodization

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satiety_value

MichaelNolan 2 days ago | parent [-]

In addition to food being much tastier than ever before, it’s also much cheaper. Despite current inflation and cost of living concerns, we spend far less on food than any time in history. Food in the 1960 was almost twice as expensive as it is today. Food costs used to be higher than housing costs!

https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2020/november/average-s...

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/how-ame...

mhogers 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting - training for spikiness/variability is a positive view, e.g. embrace the lack of occasional sleep, it trains you to be more resilient.

bko 2 days ago | parent [-]

This is built into a lot of religions and cultural practices with fasting or restrictions. Spikiness is lindy

boringg 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on the goal is. If you life is full of shocks then build for shocks. If you life is not build for shocks it makes sense to optimize for your existence. You certainly don't want to overfit the model as you are describing but you don't want to build a life around expecting shocks when none arrive. As with all things, it is a balance.

0x737368 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Competitive eaters throw their food up and keep it secret as "I'm just calorie counting" sounds a lot better than "I pretty much have an eating disorder". You can't eat large portions once a week and still train your stomach to stretch enough to eat those gargantuan amounts of food that they need to perform.

BrawnyBadger53 2 days ago | parent [-]

Some do this, some go on binge fast cycles. Others just eat the food. It's different for everyone. Binge fast cycles are probably the easiest way to train this though.