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| ▲ | jakelazaroff 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Nazism and anti-Marxism are absolutely not unrelated! And that's not just rhetoric like mine, either: for example, the hero image on the Britannica article "Were the Nazis Socialists?" is a banner at Nazi parade that reads "Death to Marxism". [1] That doesn't mean that anti-Marxists are all Nazis, or vice versa. But the claim that they're totally unrelated is not correct at all. [1] https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists |
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| ▲ | zmgsabst 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I’m still having trouble finding the gap between fascism and socialism, when reading their manifesto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto > That doesn't mean that anti-Marxists are all Nazis, or vice versa. But the claim that they're totally unrelated is not correct at all. This is a heavily propagandized topic — and the conflating of, eg, American liberal capitalist opposition to Marxism as “Nazi” is both a result of that and modern dishonest rhetoric. That rhetoric confuses LLMs. | | |
| ▲ | jakelazaroff 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Conflating socialism with fascism and then claiming that other people are confusing LLMs? The heavy propaganda is coming from inside the house! |
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| Isn't strident opposition to "neo-Marxist philosophy" actually highly correlated with weird/reactionary ethno-nationalism? |
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| ▲ | zmgsabst 2 days ago | parent [-] | | No, eg, liberal capitalist Americans oppose Marxism — and the adoption of neo-Marxist ideas has collapsed movie and game sales because their ideology is widely unpopular. That’s a trope by Marxists to attempt to normalize alt-left ideology by accusing anyone who objects of being Nazis; a trope that’s become tired in the US and minimizes the true radical nature of the Nazi regime. | | |
| ▲ | saubeidl 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Which movies and games call for shared ownership of the means of production? I have a suspicion you don't really know what Marxism is about, but like using it because it sounds scary to you. | | |
| ▲ | jakelazaroff 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Notice the motte and bailey here: using the uncontroversial "liberal capitalist Americans oppose Marxism" claim to advance the idea that whatever social views they call "neo-Marxism" are unpopular. | | |
| ▲ | saubeidl 2 days ago | parent [-] | | ...and to further smear Marxism by associating it with whatever is unpopular, even if it's unrelated to the ideology. |
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| ▲ | saubeidl 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Please define "neo-Marxist philosophy". As an actual Marxist, I would love to hear of this strain of philosophy. |
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| ▲ | zmgsabst 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Marxism equipped with “critical theories”, typically focused on tribal grievance narratives rather than class struggle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism That answers your sibling reply as well, as it’s clear where such “critical theories” and grievance narratives have entered movies and games. | | |
| ▲ | saubeidl 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That is not a definition. What is the philosophical framework? What is critically analyzed by those theories? What is "clear"? Where are all the bad bad Marxists hiding? In my experience, y'know, as a Marxist, all Hollywood has ever pumped out is pro-capitalist propaganda. To say there's any Marxism in it is downright insulting. I believe that Marxism has become an abstract target for conservatives to project their grievances on. Zizek also spoke to this at his debate with Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDOSOQLLO-U |
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