| ▲ | neverrroot 3 days ago |
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| ▲ | debugnik 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Then we have Spain, that after the blackout, suddenly burns a lot more gas (41% more). The Spain blackout wasn't a problem inherent to renewables, our grid simply lacks the storage and voltage control needed for the mix we intend. So, to keep the grid stable until we solve it, we'll need a more realistic mix for our current grid, burning more gas, yes. Engineers apparently knew this was needed for years, but our industries are experts at kicking cans down the road. The blackout could have been preventable with the right investments. |
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| ▲ | neverrroot 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | debugnik 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Speculating? The state and grid operator publicly announced the new mix and the measures until we can sustain the intended one. It's ok if you don't trust official reports, but they exist. | | |
| ▲ | neverrroot 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Knowing a bit about Spain and the officials over there, I’m skeptical that their plans will materialize anytime soon. |
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| ▲ | cyberax 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The Spain blackout wasn't a problem inherent to renewables, our grid simply lacks the storage and voltage control needed for the mix we intend. Which is a problem inherent for renewables. Because they can't scale without a significant amount of storage, which is expensive. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| China and India are going to be subject to direct sanctions because of their energy dependencies. If the Western world shared their frugality, we'd be bankrolling both sides of Ukraine's war. |
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| ▲ | andsoitis 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What’s your point? |
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| ▲ | energy123 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This mish mash of cherry picked examples and outright distortions does not belong on HN. |
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| ▲ | neverrroot 3 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | energy123 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Cherry picking facts is lying by omission. If you're going to say that renewables causes higher electricity prices, you need to explain the locations that have both high renewable penetration and low electricity prices, like Iowa and Texas. You further need to explain the reasons why those locations you listed have high electricity prices out of all possible factors, rather than just observing an alleged correlation and then making a questionable inference that we're supposed to go along with. What you're doing is not analysis, it is using rhetoric to persuade. | | |
| ▲ | neverrroot 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Tell me the success stories of solar/wind renewables in Europe. Don’t cherry pick either. Btw, do you think going ad hominem changes anything? |
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