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margalabargala 3 days ago

I totally disagree.

Importing an external library into your code is like using a player piano.

Heck, writing in a language you didn't personally invent is like using a player piano.

Using AI doesn't make someone "not a programmer" in any new way that hasn't already been goalpost-moved around before.

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caconym_ 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Heck, writing in a language you didn't personally invent is like using a player piano.

Do you actually believe that any arbitrary act of writing is necessarily equivalent in creative terms to flipping a switch on a machine you didn't build and listening to it play music you didn't write? Because that's frankly insane.

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margalabargala 3 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, the language comment was hyperbolic.

Importing a library someone else wrote basically is flipping a switch and getting software behavior you didn't write.

Frankly I don't see a difference in creative terms between writing an app that does <thing> that relies heavily on importing already-written libraries for a lot of the heavy lifting, and describing what you have in mind for <thing> to an LLM in sufficient detail that it is able to create a working version of whatever it is.

Actually can see an argument that both of those are also potentially equal, in creative terms, to writing the whole thing from scratch. If the author's goal was to write beautiful software, that's one thing, but if the author's goal is to create <thing>? Then the existence and characteristics of <thing> is the measure of their creativity, not the method of construction.

	▲	caconym_ 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		The real question is what you yourself are adding to the creative process. Importing libraries into a moderately complex piece of software you wrote yourself is analogous to including genai-produced elements in a collage assembled by hand, with additional elements added (e.g. painted) on top also by hand. But just passing off the output of some genai system as your own work is like forking somebody else's library on Github and claiming to be the author of it. > If the author's goal was to write beautiful software, that's one thing, but if the author's goal is to create <thing>? Then the existence and characteristics of <thing> is the measure of their creativity, not the method of construction. What you are missing is that the nature of a piece of art (for a very loose definition of 'art') made by humans is defined as much by the process of creating it (and by developing your skills as an artist to the point where that act of creation is possible) as by whatever ideas you had about it before you started working on it. Vastly more so, generally, if you go back to the beginning of your journey as an artist. If you just use genai, you are not taking that journey, and the product of the creative process is not a product of your creative process. Therefore, said product is not descended from your initial idea in the same way it would have been if you'd done the work yourself.