Rapidus Starts 2nm Gate All Around Prototype Production at IIM-1

RivieraKid 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Does Europe have something equivalent to Rapidus? If not, I wonder why that is. Japan's Rapidus makes it look almost easy.

	▲	constantcrying 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		No. Europe has some small manufacturers, Infineon and NXP but nothing targeting the ultra high end of chip manufacturing. The EU should obviously set up an Initiative like Rapidus and their ignorance there will certainly cost the continent a lot. Europe is the only place in the world where you could have a meaningful "made in Europe chip", basically everything in the Semiconductor value chain is already there, except for the manufacturing. China is trying to get there, the EU is just neglecting the opportunity that exists.
	▲	Tuna-Fish 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Do they have usable yields at high volume? Because having some working transistors is approx 1% of the effort.

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bee_rider 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Rapidus seems really astonishing. Actually I don’t get it.

I hate to ask because, actually, it would be super great to have a little hope about new semiconductor manufacturing not having gotten impossible. Are they… for real?

	▲	ryao 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		They licensed IBM’s 2nm process and are commercializing it. IBM, despite having sold its fabrication plants, still develops new processes. They just don’t take the risk of trying to implement them in production, and let others who license their processes take those risks.

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vFunct 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

How far behind Intel are they? Does Rapidus have backside power delivery?

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adrian_b 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The only question that matters is how far behind TSMC they are.

Intel has just said that unless a miracle will bring them serious external customers for their 14A CMOS process, they will stop developing it, which would leave the Intel 18A manufacturing process (to be used for Panther Lake later this year) as the last Intel manufacturing process.

In that case, there will be only 3 state-of-the-art semiconductor makers, TSMC, Samsung & Rapidus, with no American or European competitor.

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KK7NIL 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Intel has just said that unless a miracle will bring them serious external customers for their 14A CMOS process, they will stop developing it

Here's the actual quote:

> This Form 10-Q contains forward-looking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Words such as "accelerate", "achieve", "aim", "ambitions", "anticipate", "believe", "committed", "continue", "could", "designed", "estimate", "expect", "forecast", "future", "goals", "grow", "guidance", "intend", "likely", "may", "might", "milestones", "next generation", "objective", "on track", "opportunity", "outlook", "pending", "plan", "position", "possible", "potential", "predict", "progress", "ramp", "roadmap", "seek", "should", "strive", "targets", "to be", "upcoming", "will", "would", and variations of such words and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements, which may include statements regarding:

> ...

> potential pause or discontinuation of our pursuit of Intel 14A and other next generation leading-edge process technologies if we are unable to secure a significant external customer for Intel 14A;

I think it's pretty obvious that it's more of a statement to legally cover the company's behind from investor lawsuits than the current plan, and the fact this wasn't repeated anywhere else more prominent backs that up.

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georgeburdell 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Who’s going to invest their time taping out with a foundry that warns they might pull the plug on future development? It’s self-sabotage, unless of course the point of prolific investor and CEO Lip Bu Tan is to strip the company for parts

	▲	ahartmetz 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		> self-sabotage Potentially using market dynamics to force a direction that not everyone in the company could otherwise be convinced to go along with. It does feel like Intel's equivalent to the infamous Nokia "Burning platform" memo.

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wtallis 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given Intel's history of being in denial about their troubles (in spite of the apparent risk of investor lawsuits), them suggesting they might cancel 14A and beyond should be taken seriously. That statement could just as easily be their way of breaking the news as gently and gradually as possible.

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ryao 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It is unlikely that Intel will secure an external customer for any process node given concerns about handing IP to a competitor combined with Intel’s past IP theft incidents (e.g. they stole from DEC to build the pentium processor). Thus we can assume that 14A will be discontinued.

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wmf 4 days ago | parent [-]

Intel has multiple external customers for 18A.

	▲	thecompilr 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Are they significant?

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bayindirh 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> European competitor.

...and almost everyone uses ASML's machines. Honestly interesting. Canon was going to build a lower cost machine competitive with ASMLs, I wonder how it's going.

...and I'm also wondering whether Nikon and Canon still make the lenses for these machines.

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maven29 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is mostly licensed from IBM research, and IBM research already has significant BSPDN IP, so I don't see why they couldn't also license that.

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baybal2 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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