> Electron apps (including Notion) do this by default

Feels like a bad default, it teaches user to ignore and say yes.

> Feels like a bad default, it teaches user to ignore and say yes.

I believe that, broadly speaking, from all but the most scrupulous app developers' point of view, it is a good thing for users to blindly agree to permissions. This is obviously true if they are doing something nefarious, but even true if not, since every user who denies a permission to your app is a user who might be writing a nasty review about such-and-such an advertised feature that doesn't work. I hope very much that my OS will make it easy for me to behave in a security-conscious way—a hope that is almost always disappointed!—but I do not even bother to have such a hope for all but my most beloved apps, which are often beloved for exactly that reason.

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jraph 7 hours ago | parent [-]

"Hey, head's up, this doesn't work because you didn't give us permission to {...}, needed because {...}. [Fix this]" would not be the end of the world.

	▲	JadeNB 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> "Hey, head's up, this doesn't work because you didn't give us permission to {...}, needed because {...}. [Fix this]" would not be the end of the world. You don't need to convince me, as a software user, but the app developers! And it's hard to blame them. I'm a teacher, and I rail against students who won't read the plain instructions before working on an assignment, but I also see it in myself: when I'm rushing through what I have to do, to get to what I want to do, I can stare right at a block of text and simply not register crucial parts of it. So such a plain instruction seems straightforward, but you'd still get users somehow managing to click it out of the way and then saying it doesn't work, and even one such user is a user that you wouldn't have to deal with if you made the permission opt-out.