If you financially penalize AI researchers, either with a large lump sum or in a way which scales with their expected future earnings, take you pick, and pay the proceeds to the people who put together the very cases which lead to the fines being levied, you can very effectively freeze AGI development.

If you don't think you can organize international cooperation around this you can simply put such people on some equivalent of an FBI type Most Wanted list and pay anyone who comes forward with information and maybe gets them within your borders as well. If a government chooses to wave its dick around like this it could easily cause other nations to copy the same law, this instilling a new global Nash equilibrium where this kind of scientific frontier research is verboten.

There's nothing inevitable at all about that. I hesitate to even call such a system extreme, because we already employ systems like this to intercept e g. high level financial conspiracies via things like the False Claims Act.

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socalgal2 a day ago | parent [-]

In my world there are multiple countries who each have an incentive to win this race. I know of no world where you can penalize AI researchers across international boundaries nor to believe your scenario could ever play out. You're dreaming if you think you could actually get all the players to co-operate on this. It's like expecting the world to come together on climate change. It's not happening and it's not going to happen.

Further, it doesn't take a huge lab to do it. You can do it at home. It might take longer but there's an 1.4kg blob in everyone's head as proof of concept and does not take a data center.

	▲	blibble a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> I know of no world where you can penalize AI researchers across international boundaries nor to believe your scenario could ever play out. mossad could certainly do it
	▲	hiAndrewQuinn 17 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>I know of no world where you can penalize AI researchers across international boundaries nor to believe your scenario could ever play out. This world where wars and stuff happen? You can just use actual force, you know. >You're dreaming if you think you could actually get all the players to co-operate on this. Let me play it out more explicitly since you lack the eyes to see. Say China implements such a rule. Top researchers in the US start mysteriously turning up in China and getting turned in for the cash fine. They aren't allowed to leave China until they empty their bank accounts, because they have broken a very serious Chinese law. Now the US has to seriously ask itself whether it's actually willing to unleash World War 3 for the sake of a couple thousand eggheads. Not gonna happen. Then someone takes a poll and finds this actually has mass support _in_ the US, because the average person is terrified of where AI is going. If you can't beat em, join em. The US implements its own law similar to the one in China so that this madness can stop. All of the top researchers bitch and moan and move to Portugal. Top researchers in Portugal start mysteriously turning up in the US... So on and so forth. Rinse and request until everyone is on board with the new Nash equilibrium. >[I]t doesn't take a huge lab to do it. You can do it at home. It might take longer but there's an 1.4kg blob in everyone's head as proof of concept. You are thinking so unbelievably small. So, so unbelievably small. You decide you want to push the state of AI forward and create an enormous new model. Okay, you're going to need to buy or source a bunch of GPUs. You try to order a bunch of GPUs from Nvidia. Nvidia flags you as a high risk client, turns on the tracking firmware, gathers info on your training runs, hires some people in your local area to peek through your curtains to confirm, and turns you in themselves. Nvidia walks away getting roughly half, the other half went to its contractors. You are out of the game. Alright, so maybe you need to buy a bunch of GPUs on the secondhand market to get started. And maybe you need to source them one or two at a time from several dozen, or hundreds of different players to get away with it. A few of these players take an interest in watching you, notice you're buying GPUs from several secondhand sources, realize this would be extremely weird if you weren't planning on doing something illegal with them, and put together a small posse to turn you in. Your life savings are emptied out and your condo repossessed. You are out of the game. > It might take longer Thousands of years longer by my reckoning, at minimum. It's very hard to design an AGI entirely inside your own head when the outside world is so inherently adversarial.