> LLMs could hit an unsolvably hard wall next year and settle into a niche of utility

LLMs in their current state have integrated into the workflows for many, many IT roles. They'll never be niche, unless governing bodies come together to kill them.

> I can't find a single open source codebase, actively used in production, and primarily maintained and developed with AI

Straw man argument - this is in no way a metric for validating the power of LLMs as a tool for IT roles. Can you not find open source code bases that leverage LLMS because you haven't looked, or because you can't tell the difference between human and LLM code?

> If this is so foundationally groundbreaking, that should be a clear signal.

As I said, you haven't been paying attention.

Denialism - the practice of denying the existence, truth, or validity of something despite proof or strong evidence that it is real, true, or valid

> LLMs in their current state have integrated into the workflows for many, many IT roles. They'll never be niche, unless governing bodies come together to kill them.

That is an exaggeration, it is integrated into some workflows, usually in a provisional manner while the full implications of such integrations are assessed for viability in the mid to long term.

At least in the fields of which i have first hand knowledge.

> Straw man argument - this is in no way a metric for validating the power of LLMs as a tool for IT roles. Can you not find open source code bases that leverage LLMS because you haven't looked, or because you can't tell the difference between human and LLM code?

Straw man rebuttal, presenting an imaginary position in which this statement is doesn't apply doesn't invalidate the statement as a whole.

> As I said, you haven't been paying attention.

Or alternatively you've been paying attention to a selective subset of your specific industry and have made wide extrapolations based on that.

> Denialism - the practice of denying the existence, truth, or validity of something despite proof or strong evidence that it is real, true, or valid

What's the one where you claim strong proof or evidence while only providing anecdotal "trust me bro" ?

> LLMs in their current state have integrated into the workflows for many, many IT roles. They'll never be niche, unless governing bodies come together to kill them.

Having a niche is different from being niche. I also strongly believe you overstate how integrated they are.

> Straw man argument - this is in no way a metric for validating the power of LLMs as a tool for IT roles. Can you not find open source code bases that leverage LLMS because you haven't looked, or because you can't tell the difference between human and LLM code?

As mentioned, I have looked. I told you what I found when I looked. And I've invited others to look. I also invited you. This is not a straw man argument, it's making a prediction to test a hypothesis and collecting evidence. I know I am not all seeing, which is why I welcome you to direct my eyes. With how strong your claims and convictions are, it should be easy.

Again: You claim that AI is such a productivity boost that it will rock the IT industry to its foundations. We cannot cast our gaze on closed source code, but there are many open source devs who are AI-friendly. If AI truly is a productivity boost, some of them should be maintaining widely-used production code in order to take advantage of that.

If you're too busy to do anything but discuss, I would instead invite you to point out where my reasoning goes so horrendously off track that such examples are apparently so difficult to locate, not just for me, but for others. If one existed, I would additionally expect that it would be held up as an example and become widely known for it with as often as this question gets asked. But the world's full of unexpected complexities, if there's something that's holding AI back from seeing adoption reflected in the way I predict, that's also interesting and worth discussion.

> Can you not find open source code bases that leverage LLMS because you haven't looked, or because you can't tell the difference between human and LLM code?

The money and the burden of proof are on the side of the pushers. If LLM code is as good as you say it is, we won't be able to tell that it's merged. So, you need to show us lots of examples of real world LLM code that we know is generated, a priori, to compare

So far most of us have seen ONE example, and it was that OAuth experiment from Cloudflare. Do you have more examples? Who pays your bills?